Title: If you could go to any historical event...
Description: What would it be/would you do?
A.J. The Echidna - April 11, 2006 11:58 PM (GMT)
I guess I'd go to the Battle of Gettysburg. It's the more famous of any battle in the Civil War and what I would do, well let's just say a couple of more men helping General Grant fight the Confederate army would be a bit of a pick me up.
thefishofdoom - April 12, 2006 12:01 AM (GMT)
i wound go the moment gorge bushs was born and stab him in the face
Soul_Gatherer3000 - April 12, 2006 12:03 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (thefishofdoom @ Apr 11 2006, 07:01 PM) |
| i wound go the moment gorge bushs was born and stab him in the face |
awwwww, but i wanted to do that *sniffle sniffle*
A.J. The Echidna - April 12, 2006 12:07 AM (GMT)
Let's be serious guys. I hate Dubya too but this is a mature discussion.
thefishofdoom - April 12, 2006 12:51 AM (GMT)
hummm then WW2 and help jews(and other) ecspape gremey
A.J. The Echidna - April 12, 2006 12:52 AM (GMT)
Sweet. That's a good thing to do.
Black Angel - April 16, 2006 05:24 PM (GMT)
hm. lets see.. go back to before the pilgrims landed here, and give the native americans gunpowder, and guns, so that it will be a fair fight and so they can fight back against the europeans and not be reduced to less than 1% of their own (like they are now)
Give the african's gun powder and/or high-power weaponry to fight back against the europeans who invaded their land to steal their resources and enslave their people..
Tell Abe Lincoln to stay in that night, get a bullet proof vest.. and stay the hell away from Ford's Theatre..
Tell MLK Jr. to get a bullet proof vest, give his speeches via satellite from an undisclosed location on television or via radio (like FDR did when he did his "fireside chats") and stay his ass inside the hotel room..
Tell JFK Jr. to get a bullet proof vest and ride in an armored car..
Tell Malcolm X to get a bullet proof vest, give his speeches via satellite from an undisclosed location on television (like FDR did when he did his "fireside chats")
Tell Archimedes, to get the hell out of Sicily.. and take his stuff with him.. (since they say that back then, he knew everything we know now.. and by now we'd would have figured out a way to live on Mars.)
Give the jews gunpowder, and guns, so that it will be a fair fight and so they can fight back against the germans
Give hitler's mom a coat hanger abortion, i'd do the same to mussolini's, stalin's, saddam hussein's, bush's, (father) and osama bin laden's mothers..
Go to the Democratic Republic of Congo and tell the people to use a condom, and stay the hell away from chimpanzee's (since that is where they say that AIDS had originated)
eh.. there may be more..
thefishofdoom - April 16, 2006 06:06 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Black Angel @ Apr 16 2006, 12:24 PM) |
hm. lets see.. go back to before the pilgrims landed here, and give the native americans gunpowder, and guns, so that it will be a fair fight and so they can fight back against the europeans and not be reduced to less than 1% of their own (like they are now)
Give the african's gun powder and/or high-power weaponry to fight back against the europeans who invaded their land to steal their resources and enslave their people..
Tell Abe Lincoln to stay in that night, get a bullet proof vest.. and stay the hell away from Ford's Theatre..
Tell MLK Jr. to get a bullet proof vest, give his speeches via satellite from an undisclosed location on television or on radio (like FDR did when he did his "fireside chats") and stay his ass inside the hotel room..
Tell JFK Jr. to get a bullet proof vest and ride in an armored car..
Tell Malcolm X to get a bullet proof vest, give his speeches via satellite from an undisclosed location on television (like FDR did when he did his "fireside chats")
Tell Archimedes, to get the hell out of Sicily.. and take his stuff with him.. (since they say that back then, he knew everything we know now.. and by now we'd would have figured out a way to live on Mars.)
Give the jews gunpowder, and guns, so that it will be a fair fight and so they can fight back against the germans
Give hitler's mom a coat hanger abortion, i'd do the same to mussolini's, stalin's, saddam hussein's, bush's, (father) and osama bin laden's mothers..
Go to the Democratic Republic of Congo and tell the people to use a condom, and stay the hell away from chimpanzee's (since that is where they say that AIDS had originated)
eh.. there may be more.. |
wow go B.A
Dark Mage - April 17, 2006 02:01 AM (GMT)
I'd want to go to when Adolf Hitler was born so I could stop his reign of terror
Dictator - April 17, 2006 02:17 AM (GMT)
Heh. Mine's better! I'd go back to the Japanese civil war and fight as a high tech new age Samurai! You didn't say i could bring weapons with me, or flak jackets, or helmets. So therefore, I'd protect myself from all musket shots and kill the American's who helped the Japanese Imperial army. Japan would be stuck in a low age society forever! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!!!
Dark Mage - April 17, 2006 04:18 AM (GMT)
Then we wouldn't have good technology or anime.
Dictator - April 17, 2006 03:57 PM (GMT)
Yes we would! I'd design it all under my new dictatorship!
Black Angel - April 17, 2006 06:11 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Sae @ Apr 16 2006, 10:17 PM) |
| Heh. Mine's better! |
Huh.. Not that this is a competition, but on mine
i prevented the holocaust, and world wars 1 & 2
i prevented the tragedy of 9/11 and i prevented this country from being run by a fucking moron (bush)
i prevented the spread of AIDS
i saved the lives of 2 of the best presidents in history
i saved the lives of 2 of the most influential people in the black community
i saved the an entire ethnicity from extinction
i prevented slavery
i saved Archimede's and in turn, we have figured out a way to live on Mar's..
thefishofdoom - April 17, 2006 06:56 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Black Angel @ Apr 17 2006, 01:11 PM) |
| QUOTE (Sae @ Apr 16 2006, 10:17 PM) | | Heh. Mine's better! |
Huh.. on mine
i prevented the holocaust, and world wars 1 & 2 i prevented the tragedy of 9/11 and i prevented this country from being run by a fucking moron (bush) i prevented the spread of AIDS i saved the lives of 2 of the best presidents in history i saved the lives of 2 of the most influential people in the black community i saved the an entire ethnicity from extinction i prevented slavery i saved Archimede's and in turn, we have figured out a way to live on Mar's..
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you definately win
Dictator - April 17, 2006 07:33 PM (GMT)
What? No way? Just because you give these people things doesn't mean it'll work. Jews with guns have to be trained. Sure there were veterans of WW 1 but you can't train the whole Jewish population.
Second, condoms don't always work and I think it was from eating chimpanzees. O_o.
You can't just go give someone an abortion without their consent. You'd have to have proof for them to probably believe that they'd go and cause mass chaos over the world.
I admit, you saved the lives of two of the best presidents though they'd question how you knew of the assassination.
You also saved some of the most influential people in black history, true.
You didn't necassarily prevent slavery seeing as the slaves were Africans given to the Europeans for trading. They recieved guns and gun powder like that. In fact, you may cause another war.
And as for Archimede's. I know little if anything about him.
Seriously though, mine was a little joke though it was stated this was a mature topic. Now I would go back to the Japanese civil war but I'd help the Samurai for a reason. Honor is their main thing. The Japanese were probably the most honorable people along with the Chinese and some other Asian races. I'd introduce the Samurai to flak jackets as stated above in order to keep themselves alive against enemy muskets. I'd make sure they used better tactics, stealth for one as ninja then, but not to mess with their customs too much. Night fall would be the major basis of most of their attacks because the enemy would be forced to shoot into the dark.
Perhaps before that in order to prevent all of this I'd warn of the Americans so the Japanese would face and kill them.
Why am I not helping Americans? Because America causes many problems and solves them too. Some of our leaders have made the worst decisions ever, some good.
Black Angel - April 17, 2006 10:11 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Sae @ Apr 17 2006, 03:33 PM) |
| What? No way? Just because you give these people things doesn't mean it'll work. Jews with guns have to be trained. Sure there were veterans of WW 1 but you can't train the whole Jewish population. |
True. But at least they would have had a fighting chance at fighting the Germans instead of being slaughtered like cattle.
| QUOTE (Sae @ Apr 17 2006, 03:33 PM) |
| condoms don't always work and I think it was from eating chimpanzees. O_o |
Wrong. Condoms are not always effective in preventing pregnancy, but they are most certainly effective in preventing the spread of STD's..
Secondly, i heard that it was caused because someone had sexual relations with a chimp.. so whether it was copulating with a chimp, eating, or being bitten by one, that started AIDS, it still doesn't matter, if they were warned to stay way from them then they can't get infected and then AIDS wouldn't be around.
| QUOTE (Sae @ Apr 17 2006, 03:33 PM) |
| You can't just go give someone an abortion without their consent. You'd have to have proof for them to probably believe that they'd go and cause mass chaos over the world. |
1. I am very well aware of that, but the premise of this would be if they were never born, then they couldn't have committed these heinous acts.
2. It's like you said, we can go back in history, but it was never said that we couldn't take anything back with us..
| QUOTE (Sae @ Apr 17 2006, 03:33 PM) |
| I admit, you saved the lives of two of the best presidents though they'd question how you knew of the assassination. |
For JFK, I'd give him the video tape of his assassination.
For Lincoln, I have no idea.. I suppose I'd show him a picture of the lincoln monment, and show him a history book, or an autobiography of his life..
| QUOTE (Sae @ Apr 17 2006, 03:33 PM) |
| You didn't necassarily prevent slavery seeing as the slaves were Africans given to the Europeans for trading. They recieved guns and gun powder like that. In fact, you may cause another war |
The european's didn't know about Africa back then that is why is was always known as the "Dark Continent" european explorers had sailed to the continent in order to explore it because not much was known about this "mysterious land."
As explorer's progressed in their journey's they discovered that Africa was a land rich in natural resources such as gold, diamonds, and ivory. And they reported as such. The leaders in europe got greedy, and sent people into africa to take these riches for themselves.. and as colonization progressed in North America, they also enslaved the people.
The africans didn't have much defense. That is why I said that I would have given them guns. As with the Jews, and Native Americans, The training to use these guns is also implied.
| QUOTE (Sae @ Apr 17 2006, 03:33 PM) |
| Why am I not helping Americans? Because America causes many problems and solves them too. Some of our leaders have made the worst decisions ever, some good. |
First of all, America only gets involved if they feel that their interest in these countries is threatened. Otherwise, if that country has nothing of interest to America, then we will not get involved.
Secondly, The president of this country doesn't always listen to its people. the biggest example of that would be today. American's did NOT want to get involved in the war against Iraq. But the president didn't care.. and he got us involved anyway..
Thirdly, We got involved in WWI for one main reason:
1. The Sinking of the Lusitania
and in case you forgot, the U.S. didn't not want to get involved in WWII.. Japan GOT US INVOLVED BY BOMBING PEARL HARBOR.. They "poked a sleeping bear" So in turn, we retaliated.
Lastly, If America was so involved with the world and the affairs that have nothing to do with us, then why is it that we have yet to invade China, Mexico and South Korea, and over throw the corrupt governments and place it in the hands of the people? This would do a lot in the way of helping this country's immigration issue..
Why is it that we haven't gone into China, and ended the censorship so that the people are free to educate themselves? To these leaders, knowledge is power, and to restrict the people's knowlege, you also restrict their power. The\at is why the people in these countries are censored. If these people were able to do this, then they would have a solution to their overpopulation. They wouldn't have to kill the baby girl's and punish the families with more than one child.
Dictator - April 17, 2006 10:23 PM (GMT)
The reason we don't get involved with China is because they have a strong enough army to destroy us. Also, as I mentioned before Japan is an honorable country so therefore they attacked us at Pearl Harbor. Why? Because during a practice mission we sank one of their subs. Even if it is practice killing a Japanese is like stealing their land. You take their honor. That is why Pearl Harbor happened, or some believe.
Black Angel - April 18, 2006 02:24 PM (GMT)
My question about China was rhetorical. I am very well aware of the reason's we hadn't intervened with the affairs in that country.
As for Pearl Harbor, The U.S. and the U.K. didn't agree with Japan's actions, and what they were doing in China.. and after Japan had aligned itself with the
Axis Powers The U.S. decided to close the Panama Canal to Japanese trade..
Click here for the un-abridged version.
Dictator - April 18, 2006 07:38 PM (GMT)
Damn, I hate rethorical questions... Anyways, basically the whole concept is right because when viewing from a Japanese prospective what they did was viewed as good, but what we did was viewed as wrong. I certainly find it wrong how we destroyed Hiroshima and Nagasaki with those Atomic Bombs. I find it wrong on how we took our own citizens just because of nationality and sent them to camps much like the concentration camps. Japanese were slaughtered like the Jews. Although I must say, Japan involved itself hurting Japanese-Americans. The Jews didn't have a choice.
Sorry if I tend to be contradicting myself, but I do that a lot as I think.
Black Angel - April 18, 2006 07:54 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Sae @ Apr 18 2006, 03:38 PM) |
Damn, I hate rethorical questions... Anyways, basically the whole concept is right because when viewing from a Japanese prospective what they did was viewed as good, but what we did was viewed as wrong. I certainly find it wrong how we destroyed Hiroshima and Nagasaki with those Atomic Bombs. I find it wrong on how we took our own citizens just because of nationality and sent them to camps much like the concentration camps. Japanese were slaughtered like the Jews. Although I must say, Japan involved itself hurting Japanese-Americans. The Jews didn't have a choice.
Sorry if I tend to be contradicting myself, but I do that a lot as I think. |
Yes it was wrong, but FDR did that because the casualties of pearl harbor was extensive.. Japan had given us an ultimatum, after we had closed off their access to the Panama Canal, and after we hadn't complied, they bombed us.. where's the honor in that? FDR, declared war on Japan after learning this information.. Yes, it was fucked up that we dropped the bombs on them, but I suppose FDR was thinking "an eye for an eye"
Secondly, the japanese were placed into "internment camps" not "concentration camps" there is a HUGE difference between the two.. It was wrong but by the same token, FDR wanted to limit the chance of them being spies for Japan..
Thirdly, even though it is kind of a condescending gesture, the detainees were given reparations for their troubles.. as a diplomatic effort to dissolve ill will. Blacks still have yet to recieve an apology, or compensation for slavery and segregation. Which is why there are a LOT of unresolved issues between Blacks and Whites in this country.
BlackCloudX - April 18, 2006 08:30 PM (GMT)
i would go back in time to save jesus before he gets killed i would bring a whole lota weapons and show em romans who is better!
although....it could be tough fighting 999,999,999 romans >.<
Dictator - April 18, 2006 08:32 PM (GMT)
That's a bit over exagerated for the Roman army, don't you think? Nine million? Why save Jesus also? Though he was a good man and teacher of religious respects what he did then was considered a crime. That would be breaking basic order.
BlackCloudX - April 18, 2006 08:34 PM (GMT)
uhh....sorry to ask but what crime did he do?
Dictator - April 18, 2006 08:42 PM (GMT)
Well. When he spread Christianity and claimed for only one God to exist the Romans crusified him. Sure, freedom of religion had been astablished by then but the Hebrews called him a masiah and the Romans saw it as him as also claiming such things
Black Angel - April 18, 2006 08:44 PM (GMT)
Did you know that Pilate did not want to kill him? He faltered under the pressure of the people.. he was stuck between a rock and a hard place..
BlackCloudX - April 18, 2006 08:47 PM (GMT)
yeah it was one hard decission but if pilate said no i bet that big crowd of people will just run over him....
and sae the romans found out he was the son of god :) like after he died cuase god went mad
but bible siad something else it has something to do with aliens i would just shoot em down MUHAHAHA then bring em back to our time to study
VirusZero - April 18, 2006 11:01 PM (GMT)
my only issue with time travel is this, if you change all this stuff, in the past how will it affect the present we live in. EX. you may stop hitler but in turn you may create something a hell of a lot worse. ( a worse person may step in )
and as for the Africans being forced to come here, (do not think i condone what happened but consider this:) if they weren't forced they would still be living in Africa right? and since any African ancestor would never have left, any African americans here might not be here anymore. ( if the ancestors never came here, then the descendants would be in Africa. )
also look at aids ( i strongly detest the disease and the way it was contracted but:) if in the situation it was prevented, whose to say it would be either contracted another way or modified and become more powerful strain of it, or we get a completely new more powerful virus.
and if we prevent historical events the changes that could result could be profounding, for example: if jesus was save then the bible would have to be completely rewritten, if the war's outcomes were changed then the world may very well be completely different , the changes may not always be for the best.
BlackCloudX - April 18, 2006 11:04 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (VirusZero @ Apr 18 2006, 06:01 PM) |
my only issue with time travel is this, if you change all this stuff, in the past how will it affect the present we live in. EX. you may stop hitler but in turn you may create something a hell of a lot worse. ( a worse person may step in )
and as for the Africans being forced to come here, (do not think i condone what happened but consider this:) if they weren't forced they would still be living in Africa right? and since any African ancestor would never have left, any African americans here might not be here anymore. ( if the ancestors never came here, then the descendants would be in Africa. )
also look at aids ( i strongly detest the disease and the way it was contracted but:) if in the situation it was prevented, whose to say it would be either contracted another way or modified and become more powerful strain of it, or we get a completely new more powerful virus.
and if we prevent historical events the changes that could result could be profounding, for example: if jesus was save then the bible would have to be completely rewritten, if the war's outcomes were changed then the world may very well be completely different , the changes may not always be for the best. |
i agree with you virus zero
not all changes can be for the best
Dictator - April 18, 2006 11:21 PM (GMT)
I see. Still, when you say that they find out Jesus is the son of God I have to disagree. This is because I'm athiust, although open minded, and I can't believe there is a God without solid proof.
Now take this into consideration, how would it be possible to go back in time? If theories state one can only go into the future and not the past then how do you go backwards? Some theories simply state that increasing speed will bring you to the future. Also thing of another thing called parallel universe. If we change one thing back in time, we change the flow and it is presented as a parallel universe with it's own history. Ex: You kill your grandfather back in time and go to the present day in which you came, your grandfather lives in the current day but is dead in another universe. Who is to say that any of this changing of history would affect our current time?
BlackCloudX - April 18, 2006 11:27 PM (GMT)
your right sae lets stop this even though we have differ religion lets keep our beleifs to ourselves
Dictator - April 18, 2006 11:41 PM (GMT)
Mystic Mage - May 2, 2006 06:38 PM (GMT)
I'd go back to when Jesus was and be freinds with him and ask if he could help me with world peace... Tell him what happens in the future, so he gives me some holy powers. Using those power go through time and:
Help the natives americans win so America still has some culture in it. Stop Adolf Hitler, Sadam Whoisinsane and whatever guy started the racist bussiness. Go to Henry VIII's time and try out the oldern time roast dinner. Stop the atomic bombs and nuclear bombs ever harming anyone. Find out some secrets like how princess Diana realy died and anything else people would like to throw in. Watch Budica fight. Help some British people reach the south pole. Find the source of terrorsism and kill it (if impossible i'd stop all the terrorist attacks) Stop by my time to get some Fish and chips and then make some sword and armour that is ultra strong... (sorry this is long) Go to the future (no one said i couldn't) find a cure for cancer and other diseases and try out some future video games then... Go back with all the junk i get and be a medievil Rogue Knight and wander around facing anyone and anything using my ultra strong blade and armour and be in kids fairy tales for being a knight that never dies and keep on fighting and when gunpowder comes along go back to present get some army kit and machine guns and junk fight in some wars and Live forever fighting as a Wanderer (hint on who's the wander lol) and if i ever die use some holy powers on myself to heal me
Now how's that
MaranX - May 2, 2006 07:26 PM (GMT)
If I could go to any historical event I would go to day when Stalin was born and stab him with knife into face :evilgrin:
Mystic Mage - May 2, 2006 07:30 PM (GMT)
Dark Mage - May 2, 2006 10:51 PM (GMT)
Mystic Mage - May 3, 2006 05:15 PM (GMT)
Not a clue but who gives a dam?
MaranX - May 3, 2006 05:49 PM (GMT)
:blink: you don't know the guy who spread the communism over a half of europe? :blink:
VirusZero - May 3, 2006 06:41 PM (GMT)
Karl Marx's wrote the communist manifesto but Stalin spread it, under ideal conditions it would have been a pretty good society, but it became corrupt because "absolute power corrupts absolutely" (my grade 12 sociology teacher is the person who said that, i dunno if he got it from somewhere else or not.)
but i still say too much time travel could distort the time stream, i really don't want the time stream to mess up so i wake up in my own bed and find myself in the middle of the war of 1812, or walk across the door to my house and enter my house in the year 3682, that wouldn't be fun, because who knows how time travel will work or its effects on the universe.
Black Angel - May 3, 2006 07:18 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (VirusZero @ May 3 2006, 02:41 PM) |
Karl Marx's wrote the communist manifesto but Stalin spread it, under ideal conditions it would have been a pretty good society, but it became corrupt because "absolute power corrupts absolutely" (my grade 12 sociology teacher is the person who said that, i dunno if he got it from somewhere else or not.)
but i still say too much time travel could distort the time stream, i really don't want the time stream to mess up so i wake up in my own bed and find myself in the middle of the war of 1812, or walk across the door to my house and enter my house in the year 3682, that wouldn't be fun, because who knows how time travel will work or its effects on the universe. |
he either got that quote from the book Animal Farm, or 1982. I am about 90% sure it was from Animal Farm..
VirusZero - May 3, 2006 07:26 PM (GMT)
though the original quote was by Lord Acton (1834-1902)
http://www.libertystory.net/LSTHINKACTON.html