what do you think of the death penalty? you may state your beliefs here.

death is fine they kill 3 kid or something and they get to live out the rest of there life in a cell were if there a gang leader or any thing like that they live like kings i think its fine to give the death

well yeah i agree with you to an extent on that part, but what kind of message are we putting out there that the ultimate punishment for murder: is to be murdered. you see where i am going with this? i agree that they should not be given a second chance, but there are many many punishments out there that are far worse than death itself. mind you, i hate scott peterson for what he did to his wife and child (she was 8 mos pregnant and since the child was at a stage of development, where he could have survived outside of the womb, the was the second count of man-slaughter) but i do not agree with the death sentence. i believe that he should have been released to a cell of inmates doing a life sentence and happen to have kids of their own... they would have beat his ass every day and night until he died, or committed suicide. i think that the death penalty is nothing short of hypocritical because we are taking people convicted of murder, and then murdering them.

yea i agree whit that the death sencete is pain less and scott peterson deservs to die slowly i think is so sad

Nothing justify the killing. Nothing. If someone kills another person, doing the same but in the name of justice will make you even worse than the killer.

Well.....if someone is sentenced to death, it is because that someone deserved it.....but then again some people are innocents and they're sentenced to death too....so i would say yes to deah penalty....only to those who deserve it, unfortunaly justice is not equal to everbody and sometimes mistakes are made.....

like killing the president :idontknow:

i agree with you all btw...

but if you muder some one a reletive might murder you such as revenge and bring up a bigger problem and maybe a more worse death sentence

Michael Faye got his ass beat in singapore for vandalism.. that is something that we should have here in this country as opposed to the death penalty.. google him, and read all about it..

i wound like that MUCH Better than Death penalty They wound get what they devered

Here is an article about that guy who got his ass beat..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_P._Fay

Singapore is a very strict country.. so strict that they do not allow porn, or chewing gum. Imagine what would have happened to Scott Peterson.. They should have given him a life sentence, and then sentenced him to 6 lashes from the cane every single day for the rest of his life.. <= that alone is a fate worse than death itself.

yea i like that idea

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NO GUM!

what about mints?

eh did fay die?

no he didnt

Yes...i like that idea too..........

Another reason i don't agree with the death penalty, is because it can also make the criminals into martyrs.. for example, take Zacarias Moussoui.. he tried to instill rage among the victim's families, as well as the jury.. he kept saying "kill me" "i want to be a martyr" and they gave him life in prison.. even though he was responsible for more than 3,000 deaths, (because he had prior knowledge of the attacks) i was satisfied with the verdict.. because he was not made a martyr.. i am not sure, but i think it was in the the bible that martyrs, become saints.. and so, i don't think that he is worthy of such a reward.

I agree with you in that BA....but then again what must be done, must be done....it's better to have a killer martyr but dead, than having a living one.....

yea i hope he get beaten

Not exactly, because unfortunately you will have a lot of people who will look at what he did, and look at him as a martyr, and then try to imitate, or do worse than they did.

Killing someone like that only facilitates the creation of thousands of those who will be a lot worse than they ever were.

With this isshue theres many ways you can look at it, but only two choices: yes or no.

Pro Death
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1) Keeping the inmates alive is a costly thing. Who ends up paying for them? The taxpayers! These inmates get better taken care of then some normal people. Free health care, and some can earn degrees withen the very cell they have been imprisoned.

2)People who are evil or crewl deserve to die. Plain and simple. That way we keep them from getting out and hurting more people. For that reason we have the death penility.

Anti Death
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1) It is inmoral and crewl to inject people. By killing the killers how much better are we? Do we as human kind truely have the right to judge wether or not someone deserves to live or die?

2) Multiple killers don't deserve the kind enbrace of death. Those who rape, murder, and torture there victems need more punishment then there lives will go on. These people should be forever inprisoned for there transgressions, and should just be kept barely alive with little to no healthcare, and likewise with food and drink.


I can see all debates as noteworthy, I don't neccsilarry take a side in this. If it were possible I would side with the seccound nmber in Anti Death, however beceause it is policy of the U.S. not to use torture I may side more with the death penilty.

thats why i think we need to beat them

,and thats why I think we need to use um as a source of cheep labor again.(Is refering to when Licence plates were made by in-mates.) This time, however, we need a bigger comoidty, something that will pay for there food, and what-not.

I don't care what it is, but the tax payers deserve there money back somehow!

The Death Penalty is unethical, and if you think that it is always painless think again.

According to this, the prisoners put to death by lethal injection, were not given enough anesthesia, when the poison was injected into their system, and as a result, they were consciously aware of everything that was happening, but they could not move because they were paralyzed by the injection, therefore they looked like they were relaxed, even though they were suffering. That is EXACTLY the reason that lethal injection has been ruled as inhumane.

What does it say about us where the punishment for murder, is to be murdered? Do we actually think that they are any better than they are? Even though we are doing the same thing they did, on a much larger scale? Do we really lack that much self-awareness?

Alan Gell was a man who was on death row for nearly a decade for a murder he didn't commit. Not only did he not kill this person, but the witnesses that came forward claiming that they saw him, were the ones who did it. N.C. Prosecutors not only had the evidence proving his innocence, but they hid it, and even when he was exonerated, they kept him on Death Row, for an additional 2 years, and were still pushing to kill him.

Unfortunately, there are a LOT more like him, that aren't as lucky and those people are the ones who are put to death by blood-thirsty people who are so bent on revenge, or are so eager to see someone die, that they don't even factor in the possibility that that person might be innocent. By the time they actually find evidence proving that persons' innocence, they had already been put to death.. without so much as a "my bad" to that person's family.

In addition to that, According to the Death Penalty Information Center, the Death Penalty is not an effective method of deterring murder. As you can see from the chart on the right, that the murder rates are HIGHEST among the states that support the Death Penalty.

Blacks only make up about 13% of this country's population. Whites outnumber Blacks in prison, as well as those on death row, and yet, then number of Blacks put to death are very close in number.



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I don't know about you, but I think that there is something very wrong here.

Bottomline, save for self-defense, defense of someone we care about, war, or euthanasia, (where that person asked to be euthanized) killing someone is NEVER ethical.

the states need it at this time. people have to be account for the crimes in such matters. why should taxes payer have to pay for a person who done wrong that can never be right and why should the rest of society have to live with a person that does care about their lives and will kill them if they have a chacne to for what? a look, not saying yes to go out on a date with, not being in the in crowd , mother didn't love them enough, father love them to much, give me a break already. i heard it all and now i am tried of it listening. if you kill some one in cold blood, they should put you on t v and take you out right there to be not a martyr but as a example to other what not to do and that will be the reason why. i in a distant land fight a war and i use control everyday i have been blown up shoot at and i come home when my country doesn't need me here any more. if i and many like me can use that amount of control and our lives are on the line every day. why can that person who sit back and not worrying about being blown up by a ied the next time they decide a road trip.

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...This is probally one of the hardest topics I've ever had to choose a side for...

I keep looking for the middle, an' it aint there...

On one hand Killing for muder is just as bad as muder,
On another why should that person get away with it? After all its a eye for a eye, right? Thats whats fair right?

And thats not all eaither,
On another hand it isen't ethical to kill,
But look at it from a differen't view, and do you really think a murder is ethical in the first place?

Then looking at it like this:
What if were killing innocent people?
Or even worse: what if were letting bad people off the hook?

I wish I come come up with a mirical answer... Poof! Heres what we should do so bad people are given their just deserts, and our comon man isent given an underserved noose.

I can't take a side... No matter how much I try I can't think of anything that pushes my belief from one side to the other. I hate being on the fence, it makes me feel weak minded and stupid! Why can't these dumb-ass people control there selves! Why!?

When I think of this only one thought comes to mind...Why must anyone murder...

*Gasp* Black Angel and Black Devil X have another sibling positioned in Iraq?
*Oblivious*

Sam is my best friend of 11 years, we went to high school together , and I have come to love him like an older brother, and he loves me like a sister.. (that is why he refers to me as sis, in a few topics here.

I can understand the level of anger that causes a person to want someone who killed their loved one to suffer themselves. BDX and I had an uncle who was shot and killed for standing up and doing the right thing, and some mother fucking asshole, took his life. Two of the men involved turned themselves in, while a third man is still at large, or so I've heard.

However, as angry as I still am about his murder, especially having seen the negative effect it had on my family, as well as his only brother, I am not about to give someone a death sentence, regardless of how much they deserve it. It simply is not my call to make, and neither is it the states. Putting them to death makes us no better, in fact it makes us a lot worse, than the person we put to death. The reason is because the person who was executed, may have only killed once or twice, but we will always have had killed more than they ever could in a lifetime.

Yes there is the whole taxpayer issue, and unfortunately it reflects poorly on us as a society, that we put money above a human life. We do it with the death penalty, and we do it in cases of missing persons. I mean, haven't you ever noticed that about 90% of all high-profile, media-whored missing person, or homicide cases involve pretty, well-to-do, white women and children? Look at the situation with Jessica Lynch. She admits that she is not a hero, and that she never fired her weapon and that it back-fired. Shoshana Johnson, was also kidnapped, and held a lot longer, and is an actual hero. However, when they were rescued, Lynch got all of the media attention, and the military lied about what really happened. Shoshana Johnson was hardly mentioned, and to make matters worse, Lynch got more in disability. Jean-Benet Ramsey is still talked about 11 years after the fact, as well as Laci Peterson, but when Tamika Huston went missing, her news was spread via internet. Anderson Cooper's blog has more on this. You should read the comments left by the people there, it is very interesting.

She never got any media coverage, and it wasn't that the family didn't try, but they didn't have enough money, to warrant the media's attention. The only reason she got any attention from the media, was because of the racial allegations. The phenomena is known as missing white woman syndrome. Two white women to have taken advantage of this were the runaway bride (who said a hispanic man had abducted her,) and Susan Smith (who said a Black man had kidnapped her children, sending the authorities on a nationwide wild goose chase when, in fact, she was the one who killed them.)

The bottomline is, even though it is cheaper to kill them than to keep them alive, it still doesn't make it right that we put money, over someone's life. I mean really, haven't you noticed that the states that have the death penalty, have the highest murder rates. It is right there.

I too, am rather on the fence about this, however, when faced with these types of conundrums, I will always stand by my principles, and will always do the right thing. I think in the end that is all that really matters.

hey wait one second there, i never said money is the only reason or a good reason. but i do ammit it is a reason. i am sorry for your lost and i pray that he is walking with the lord right now looking down on you keep you safe, let me say that first. i work in my life before i did anything esle, before i had a girl friend before i dance , before i could cook , ect... i have done everything right on my time upon this earth. i even got in to more than my share of fight and brawls. put to take some one out just for kicks or because i wanted what they had, give me a break. i do understand it is hard out there, but why is tyhat so i think we as a people and i not saying black or white or anything like that, but we as americans make it hard on ourselves. we are the most hard working inventors nations out there. but we have let our diffences defind us for so long. that it has cling it claws it to our youth. the lord and i make who i am at the end of the day, no one esle is to be blame for my fall but me. i remember there use to be a saying that the buck stops here. instead we have now come to terms with he or she made me do it or we are only a product of soicety. what a load of bull. no one can make a person hurt another unless that person is trying to kill you. i been on the edge where your reflection starts veiwing you. you got three choices, jump into it, stand there and look at it, or walk away. the choice is in your hand you decide what to do from there. but if you choice to hurt other then yes eye for an eye. and stop crying for those that would slice your neck if you give them a chance.

First off, I am not crying over anything. Secondly, I never said that you said that that was what it was all about, however, when people in general, would like to put a man to death not only because of his crime, but because they'd like to spare themselves the taxes, then I am sorry, but they are indeed putting money above that person's life.

Yes, they deserve to be punished for all that they've done, I agree with you on that much alone, I am not saying that hey deserved to be released and given another chance, I am simply saying that putting them to death is not the answer. If it were, than the statistics gathered by the D.P.I.C., would be grossly inaccurate.

If you take that person's time in prison for a crime, factor in the anger of the inmates (especially if that person was convicted of a violent crime involving a child, woman, or one based on race) add to it the angry, often dangerous "nothing left to lose" mentallity of his fellow inmates, his attitude about his crime and/or lack of remorse, how angry, bloodthirsty and powerful the victim's family and friends are and the severity of that person's crime. Then their life sentence, is almost never fulfilled.

Long story short, Karma is a bitch, and therefore by giving them a life sentence (or two) with NO chance of parole, instead of killing them, then you are giving them a punishment beffitting a crime. There are far worse punishments than death, just look at Singapore.. 6 lashes every other day, until they die is a fate worse than death. The slow and painful suffering, of a convicted killer or rapist, every day and night for as long as he lives, sounds like jus desserts to me. They'd wish that they were dead, and that is why I say that we need to incorporate caning, as an alternative to the death penalty. I really don't care about the psychological or physical effects it would have on them. They should have thought about that before they took a person's life. Simple as that.

Personally, I think that in cases involving homicide, sexual abuse, and habitual crimes such as DUI, Drug trafficking, robbery or gang related crimes, all deserve life sentences without any chance of parole. I think they need to eliminate parole in cases involving a life sentence, and tighten security in the prisons if they fear that inmates will escape.

and who is going to pay for all those wonderful ideas, hmmm. you so much worry for their right but they had no worry at all for the life they took and would do it in a second if you gave the a knife gun or bare heads. here i some thing that might work all killer rapers homicide druke drive see them to a island and leave the their or better yet put the it a rocket with just enough fuel to get in to outer space and put it on cable. see i just solve the problem and paid of all the U.S. debt in one min. what next, lol?

I am not worried at all about their rights, as far as I am concerned, I could care less about what happens to them, they didn't care when they took someone else's life, shit, for all I care, send them to fiji, where they have to fend off the cannibals.

I could care less about their rights, however, the right I am speaking of is morality.

all i saying is that some times that justice need to answer the call for certain crimes to are hellish enough for the ones who commit them. to let people off or not worry about the action they take will just lead to more hellish crimes. we the people of not only The U.S. but of the world need to hold ourself as people for our action or lack of. a check and balance need to be in place to stop those crimes from happening again. if not history will repeat and we will forever have this topic on the lips of society.

I agree with you on that much, they shouldn't be let off, (nor am I saying that they should be,) and should have to suffer for the crimes they committed. There are a lot worse punishments than death. I just think that we should consider them as viable alternatives to the death penalty. I am cerainly not aversed to torture for those that deserve it.

i going to be real as i can i down with the death rule like texas, put a express line in the system. if they feel pain good they before they leave this world they will know what it is like to be a human being for once even if it only last a second.

You bring up a good point, why does it ake so long for them to kill someone after puting them on death row?

oht that easy one, u see there is appeals they get to file to save or prolong the meaning less place upon this earth.one of the reason the get this is that the system in some point are flaw and do mess up, the other reason is that people that don't believe in forever judgement of these tpye of personal so get a second chance to destory good people lives:).