State your Position here.

oooo this hot Button

Simply put.. they support each other. science teaches us that for every action there is a reaction, meaning for every cause there is an effect. water just doesnt appear out of nowhere oxygen (fire) would have to combust (action) in hydrogen (gas) to make water vapor (gas) (reaction) which can be condensed into water... my point is this i believe in god and i believe that he created heaven and earth, how ever i think it is not so far fetched that he created the earth in 7 days (since they say that 1 day for god is 1,000 years for us) however, i believe in science, in evolution, the big bang, etc. just as much as i believe in religion but i also believe that god is the one that set the series of events in motion to create the world that we know today. and with that, there is no but what ifs, or no improbable theories. when school teaches you about life they teach it as if there were no god, and when the church (or religious schools) teaches you about life, they teach it as if there were no science therefore sparking questions, debate, and finally controversy.

my thing is that i hear those talk about evolution and how we evolved from apes (forgive the expression..) and then i hear those who talk about religion and they say that evolution is wrong, however there have been have been fossils that have been collected (and still are being collected) that date back to the pre-historic days.. evolution is something that cannot be denied, and in my opinion neither can religion.. but when people speak about how we evolved from this or that, the fact remains that it had to be placed here.. something had to be here. and to believe that it just came out of nowhere would be nothing short of unscientific. we dont have to see air to know that it is here and that it exists right? I dont have to see God to know that he exists..

secondly, as for the believing in evolution, and believing in God at the same time... when i was a little girl, i believed in santa claus, the easter bunny and the tooth fairy all at the same time.. and just like i was able to believe in more than one thing then, then why shouldnt i be able to do it now? I dont see things as only black and white.

and lastly, as for man spontaneously evolving out ape who evolved from a jelly fish-type being, i believe that that is completely unscientific, due to scientific reasoning.. so if that was the case then something or some unseen entity had to be here to set that off right?

People forget that Evolution is only the explanation of the progression of life as time progressed.. or how one life form evolved into another.. it does not explain the origin of life which is where God would come in.. Some of the greatest minds such as Sir Issac Newton, and Archimedes, believed that Science and Religion went hand in hand.. and lets not forget that Archimedes had already figured out how we could make Mars a hospitablte environment to support life.. Archimedes was hundreds of years ahead of his time.

Isn't cience a religion already?.....i believe so because there are the kinds of people that only believe in what they see( Cepticism-cience in a word) and the kinds of people that believe in god and stuff like that.....personly i'm more of a cience person...i only believe in what i see....although i do not deny the presence of something supernatural.........

Well im kind of unsure here are my thouts on heven and Hell These two place only exiset in your mind becuse of a humen mind we must understand every thing like what happens after death is Pure nothing the humen mind cant deal with this so are minds compesate for that by makeing these two palces there are two becuse we want to blive at evil and good are difrent and wont EVER get away with any thing mand that is why there is Heven and Hell :B):

Good point...but let's not forget that Good and Evil and two relative concepts......

thats my point

I know....but i only said that because what is good for you migth be evil for me....and vice-versa.....that's why those two concepts are very relative.......it depends on each one opinion.........

Religion,it let me believe what I believe in

science and religion can affect kids...its like picking a side

for example

god made earth...

in science its stated that the earth was from out blah blah blah

meaning the kid goes with the science theory

"i dont believe in god. god didnt make this planet"

and thus the parrents are like "wtf is wrong with you god made earth god made US!" its a hard thing ya know..

I come from a strong christian family.. however, i am also a logical person.. that is why i say they support each other.. I am not the only one who thinks this way.. The great thinkers of our time thought of this as well.. Archimedes, who was hundreds of years ahead of his time, and who also figured out a way for us to live on mars as we do earth, believed this theory as well.. to believe that the planets spontaneously appeared out of no where and started to evolve is unscientific.. something had to be here to create it.. cause and effect.. (as stated in scientific priniciple) and so, i believe that God started the chain of events that lead us to be here today.. as for the bible, i find it hard to believe that in the many times it had been translated to and from different languages and dialects by humans, that its' original context remain unchanged. And so even though now it says that God hates homosexuals now, i don't believe that that was what was in it originally..

As for the Bible, I look at it like this, the Bible is a collection of stories meant for inspiration.. My great-grandmother used to tell me that if i ever felt bad, or down about something, to pick up the Bible and read it, and that i would feel better.. Now, I am by no means, saying that the Bible is a magic book where all you would have to do is read it and all of your problems would disappear, but I did follow her advice, and I did feel better.. I felt better because after reading about the hardships of others written in the bible, I felt that, if they could handle their situation, as bad as it was, then I could do the same.

I do find it hard to believe that as many times that the Bible has been translated from past until present, that the things in it remained unchanged, throughout the translation.. afterall, the people translating it, are human. Polygamists use the Bible to justify their behavior, as do other groups.. and some only hide behind it to hide their hatred towards another group..

I do believe in God, and I do believe that he loves everyone regardless of their mistakes, however, I also believe that some people are misinterpreting the purpose of the Bible..

true what you said about archimedes

But yet you fall asleep in church -_-

To me, I believe in god. I dont believe he created everything though. I mean What happened to the dinosaurs! The bible doesnt talk about dinosaurs, btu yet we have dinsaur fossils. The bible dates back around 10000bc. However the dinosaurs are date dback to millions and millions of years ago. Now if we have proof that dinosaurs exsisted, how do we know about the bible. Also my views on the bible are that, we go around spreading the wrod of god and stuff, and dis-belief all other religions, but how dp you knwo that christianity is right? and that other religions are wrong? is there some proof because a books says there wrong? What about other cultures scriptures and stuff. what if they were right and we were wrong? there is no way to prove it. yes i believe that theres a higher power, but what happens after you die?no one knows!

I thought the bible was made when jesus was born

no after so people can tell the events that happened

duh

No, after jesus told them how events how events happened, if it wasn't for him, we would believe in roman/greek mythology

*sigh*

your not getting the point

if jesus wasnt born there would still be a bible but no jesus...

people are retelling the "stories and events" that happened to other people whn jesus was there and how he spread the religion of christianity and what happened after he died and so on

maybe you should read the bible...or go to church

but no offence

at least they didn't stop the sermon to wake me up like they did for you.. :p

u didn't have to insult me by sayin im not a christian, I believe what only I believe in

I lean more towards science but, I'm agnostic.

-_-

i never said your not a christian...i didnt state that

yea sure you can believe what you belive but im just telling you thats all

im not taking it serious to religion issues

Im serious too, u wanna know where I was the last 2 weeks, church camp

my problem with religion is for the longest time (until shakespeare's time arround 1460 or when ever king james was in power in England) the bible was for the most part nonexistant, it may have existed as small bits of it but nothing complete. it was oral stories told from generation to generation.
now if you've ever played the game telephone you'll know exactly what my point will be...
even in the game telephone, as the word makes it's way arround it changes, now do you think that for over 1000 years playing a glorified game of telephone for a religion may be changed greatly.

plus there are so many holes in religion that it's very unlikely that a god ever existed.

(virgin mary- the basis of the birth of jesus from a virgin makes this impossible)

do you like it?

lets try not to get into a religios fight...

Every time i ask a question, my mom telles me the bible tells how it happened. but like VZ said there are gaps, and the bible definatly didnty stayrt when jesus was born, considering the first words are, "God created the heavens and the earth" Not "Jesus was born" Because it would be a really shorty bible if it started at him. Too me, theres just not enough proof to based that what happened in the bible, to be true. Actuallyif you think about it the bible basically is a answer to the rasons we have things like. We live this long because adam and eve were kicked out of the garden of eden. Diffrent races of people exist because god changed one of the brothers another color and so he went on and created differen races of the world. point is, Science and Religion constantly conflict. theres no bases of proof that things happened the way they did in the bible.

That's only because it starts with the old testament and with what was in the old Jewish, I don't remember rival of the bible. But there are parts that make me agnostic. I've seen studies and I've heard all this stuff.

First of all the greeks and romans were polytheistic, they believed that instead of God having to be everywhere at once, He had a system.. he had delegates to oversee different things.. i.e. a god for the sky, water, death, etc.. but what do you get if you combine those gods and demi-gods? you would get One Almighty God.. just like in christianity.. Like it or not, religion is a lot like an opinion.. it cannot be right or wrong, it goes according to the person.. atheism is a religion because a religion, by definition, is a belief system.. and like opinions, they vary from person to person.. so just like an opinion cannot be right or wrong, neither can religion.

Which is why I get mad when Christians at my school try to say I'm wrong. I never went against their ideas and fully listen to their prospectives but they won't listen to what i have to say. The ignorance of people...

Well people believe in what they want to believe......like i said before i don't believe in god...but sure i believe that there is something out there that we can't explain.....that's why some people tend to think that when you do something extraordinary, you imidiatly think that you had the help of god..that's bull sh**....if i can make or get something it is because of my own efforts...and it's because of them that i am still alive today...believe me you i've trough a lot in my whole life......

Same here Sephiorth. I believe the word is miracles, and there, at least I believe, are no such thing as miracles. only your own will. When people say things could end in multiple ways it's not true, because it ended in one. There will always be one final outcome no matter what things look like. Ever heard, your eyes may decieve you?

Sure Sae....and i agree with you all the way.......

well, i knew i would have to post in this topic....so well, here it is: i am religiously strong, i'm a Christian, and my religion affects my life.religion may just be a hoax, i could have been fooled for my past 14 years of life, but that's not what i believe, because religion boils down to one thing, faith.try to attempt to explain ur faith for 2 hrs. to an atheist.trust me, don't try, u will only end up angry.of course i didn't expect to convert him to Christianity, but i wanted him to understand where i was coming from.i respect non-believers views although i may not believe in them.i believe in miracles, because hey, sometimes extraordinary things happen.unless u have a better explaination, i define that as intervention by God.many ppl cast off God when bad things happen in their life, but God works in mysterious ways...*expecting a slew of arguements*

I come from a strong christain family as well, however, as i have said earlier on, to believe that the initial message behind the bible remained constant throughout years of translation, is absurd..

As i have said on a similar issue, regarding gays and God, it is a known fact that homosexuality occurs in nature, and so, i find it very hard to believe that god would condemn those he made that way.. more and more scientific studies show, and support the theory that homosexuals are born that way.. and so, to believe that god would condemn an entire group of people he created that way is absurd..

I believe that god started the big bang, and evolution.. as for the bible, it would be impossible for it to remain the same throughout the many times that it had been translated, from one language to another.. throughout the course of history, that is, unless god had the technology to do so..

I think that mankind has misinterpreted the purpose behind the bible, and in turn, used it to hide behind in an attempt to disguise their hatred for other groups.. they use it to show hatred for gays, polygamists use the bible to justify their behavior, as do south african ministers, to justify the separation of races.. etc.

Too many people use the bible to justify their otherwise, malicious behavior..

Polygamists use it to justify their behavior, and use King Solomon as an example.

Gay Bashers, and Homophobes use the bible to say that gays are evil, and an abomination..

When, as I quoted in another topic, that if you go against your nature, that that was considered an abomination. (so if you are a man, and your nature is to be with a man, and you are instead, with a woman, then you are defying god's will. and what you would be doing would be considered an abomination. et cetera, et cetera..)

Misogynists use the bible to justify their behavior towards women, and use Eve, and Delilah, as examples in their reasoning..

I really hate that, in the bible, women are depicted as the biggest antagonists compared to men.. women are depicted as lascivious, and otherwise, weak creatures who are always requiring the approval of the men around them.. and the men are depicted as heroic saints, who are devoid of the consequences of their actions, but always fall prey to the 'evils' of the women around them.. GMAFB :ermm:

Eve may been tempted by the serpent to take the forbidden fruit, but Adam was the one who ate it.. :whistle:

He could have said no, or forced the apple from her hand, seeing as how, in the bible, men are 'superior' in strength when compared to women.

If Cain and Abel had a sister, I am sure that they would have found some way to make Abel's murder her fault..

As opposed to Cain, who actually killed Abel, and then got sarcastic with God, when he was caught.

My point, people are greatly misinterpreting the purpose of, and the message behind the bible.. i believe that the purpose of the bible is to tell us that we can get through anything, no matter how bad the circumstances around us may be.. i think that it was meant for inspiration, and not as a tool to suppress other groups on this planet..

I am not atheist, and I am not agnostic.. I come from a VERY religious family.. and while, I do believe in God, I do not believe that the Bible interprets his message accurately.

I believe that God started the Big Bang in the same way that I believe that God started Evolution.. Science and Religion go hand in hand, and some of the greatest thinkers, such as Newton, and Archimedes (whom, had already figured out a way we could inhabit Mars) believed the same. It makes sense, and so that is why I believe it.

I believe that God wants us to be happy, live our lives the best way we can, not to hurt other people, and to help those whereever, and whenever they may need it.

Well all i can say is:

Science doesn't have enough proof for me and I like the way religion goes... To me religions a puzzle to be solved and science is a solution to a puzzle

But when you've got religion and science they don't solve each other.

I'm with the religion but I don't have any beleif in any faith just the things i want to beleive

What more proof do you need?

Theories are based on the conclusions of experiments that were conducted, whose results were the same.. and were conducted in controlled environment were there have been no outside influences..

On a scientific scale, there is no lack of proof.. because it is there..

Evolutionists, didn't pull the dinosaur idea out of thin air.. we found, and snd still are finding fossils dating back to a time when they roamed the earth.

Religion has no such proof, and is basically hear say.. handed down from person to person..

Well i got some proof that Religion is fake

There's records of Jesus being a doctor and was healing people that way he also wasn't born on the 25 and had a family
There was a holiday on the 25th of December that the Romens had as just a winter holiday to make it more fun and they would hand out presents then... So Christmas may be based on that.
Our laws are based on the bible... but then they had laws before the bible so it was possible the bible was made out of laws
Jesus had his stories so can't Jesus be a story?

I doubt Buddhists have any proof of their Buddahs
Hindus don't know if their anccestors are reincarnated.

I didn't say what i beleive in though... And what does Dinasours have anything to do with the evolution of man they wouldn't of done anything but eat them.
Do we have any proof of the big bang?

Ok.. Christmas is a pagan holiday..

and you are right Jesus wasn't born on 12/25

I heard that he was born some time in january..

Personally, I think that we can only answer the question of "Is there a God?" or "How did we get here?" By looking at the explanations from all religions..

Sumatra had recorded events long before the bible was written.. and as such, some parts of the bible are very similar to the things that they had written..

But I think that in all religions, there is bits of truth in it, and all together they can give us the answers that we look for.

To be honest... I think religion may be a mix of fairy tales, tribal traditions and history, so if they are the they won't give us the awnser we look for... All i can say we'll find out when we're dead...