We all know the obvious reasons as to why the poor would envy the wealthy, but why would the wealthy envy the poor?

I think some wealthy would envy the poor, because:

a. the poor knows how to indulge in life's more simpler pleasures..
b. the poor do not have to look over their shoulder all the time wondering who's out to get them.. or having to suspect their friends and family for using them for their wealth.
c. the fact that as long as you have a desire for something.. you have something to strive for.
d. the fact that money=power, power=responsibility, more money=more resposibility, and since the poor do not have money, they would be devoid of responsibility.. (the poor would be devoid of power as well so that can go either way..)

The wealthy are able to get all that they want (that can be achieved through monetary means of course) and therefore, have nothing to strive for. And in turn, they become jaded. Which is why most wealthy people are unhappy, and become suicidal. I think that those who are rich and strive for more money, throw their money away on priceless possesions, or become philanthropists, do so because those are the only things that they can strive for.. that cannot easily be obtained.

Do you think that some wealthy would envy the poor? Why or why not?

Yeah...at least the decent ones...i mean there are a lots of kinds of people...there are the ones that get rich by doing some nasty skemes.....and the ones that get rich thanks to their efforts....Now the first ones probably wouldn't even think about going back to their previous lifes, cause the smell of money is so good that they don't even care about others.....now the second ones, since they're honest people...yeah they would envy the poor...not because of their economical status, but because poor people, despiting the fact that their poor, always find a way to have some fun in the middle of all that misery, they always find a way to acheive their personal hapiness, a wealthy person, having everything she wanted, could never be haapy, at least psicologicaly........but hapiness is a very relative concept....but what i'm trying to state here is that money can't buy hapiness, but it helps, and you will only achieve it by working hard......

im wealthty and i care about the poor...

i give money, donate , charity and give out some good stuff to em

and your right about what you said sephiroth...some wealthy people think money grows on a tree...

not me...i work if i wanted something money aint everything...if i had a kid and i wanted to buy something for myslef but my kid wanted something i would glady buy it for he/she thats the samething i do with the poor people

Wealthy dont know what its like down here at the poor because they dont care, they're rich

Wait so money = responsibility? Ok fuck pocket money i don't no responsibili... Oh a new WoW espansion? Better start saving up my pocket money!

I don't think the Wealthy should envy the poor... I think that the poor should envy the wealthy. I want the poor to have money but they would just spend it on drugs and that shit...

Um.. I don't know what fairy tale you live in, but in the real world having money does come with its responsibilities..

I would also like to know where in the world do you live in where all the only thing that poor people would spend money on is drugs..

Have you seen some of the rich? Some of the most irresponsible, drug addicts, are the rich..

And fyi, there are quite a few rich people out there who are envious of the poor, in the fact that they are devoid of financial responsibility..

Another reason the wealthy would envy the poor is because the poor do not have to question whether or not someone wants to be their friend because the amount of money they have..

But Thomaski, I cannot believe that you said that, I guess you are right, some stereotypes are true.. :ermm:

Yeah some of the rich are worse than the poor... Actually alot of the rich take drugs... But it's on how rich or poor we're going you see?

Yeah some are true. Wait lets underline some

the wealthy definitely envy the poor on things not related to money.family values tend to be prominite in poor families because all they have really is each other.also, the poor seemm to be ppl who aren't greedy and are thankful for what they have, even if not much.poor ppl are the working class for a reason, hardwork, dedication, good work ethic, etc.struggle and hardship strengthens the soul, while the kids who grow up rich are normally snobby, demanding, greedy, and selfish.well, see i guess i'm upper middle class, born into a family of farmers, my mother and father can always pay the bills, afford food, and such.we get where we are thru hard work, and good money management.so, that's my opinion.not all rich ppl r snobs and not all poor ppl r hard workers.but, if i explained every view point we'd be here all night and then some. :zzz: ;D

well said.

i forgot to mention that.

Well not all wealthy people are selfish... But i must admit alot of them are :'( Probably am a bit myself...

I was being sarcastic when i said that.. to prevent me from saying what i REALLY wanted to say in response to your asinine, condescending, ignorant, self-righteous, comment.

Stereotypes are based on ignorance, stupidity, and laziness.. those who stereotype others are:

a. stupid
b. ignorant as fuck
c. too damn lazy to get to know the person or persons of the group that they are stereotyping
d. need to be knocked off of their high-horse
e. are key contributers to the neverending battle between races, ethnic and religious groups on this planet.

Thomaski, fyi, Bdx and I came from a family who did not have much money.. we used to live in a 2 bedroom apartment with our great grandmother.. we did not always have money..

Before he was born, my mother and i used to live in a trailor park in va.. my mother had to work 2 jobs, just so she had enough to feed me.. my dad was there, but he wasn't really there.. my mother went thru hell, but she made sure that we had food to eat.. we had to move because she did not make enough money to pay the rent, and so we moved to brooklyn, where my great-grandmother lived.. 2 years later, bdx was born..

To this day, i thank GOD he didn't have to go thru the shit that we went thru in virginia..

As for me, I know what it is like to be homeless.. as in on the street, not having a pot to piss in, and not knowing where my next meal was coming from.. i know what it is like to have to sleep with one i open to avoid getting raped, and i know what it is like to have to stretch a dollar to last throughout the day just so that i have enough to eat. I also know that there are some genuinely kind people out there. People who will help you even when you didn't ask for it.

So yeah, I have known quite a few homeless people, and i know a lot of poor people. And NONE of them use the money they would recieve from generous people, or the money they got from combing the street, or turning in soda cans, to buy drugs.. or "other shit" what little they get from these means, they are thankful for it.. they use the money to buy what ever they would need to feed themselves or their children.. some would rather pawn personal possesions, or family heirlooms before resorting to these measures.. (my mother hocked her engagement ring.) a LOT of homeless/poor people happen to be those who were either:

a. screwed by the government
b. evicted from a mental institution because no one was paying money to keep them in there, and new patients (whose families paid for them being there) took precedence over the ones who had no family and no means of paying.. and so they were released in the street.. (these are the people who end up raping or murdering civilians)
c. released from prison and found that their family had moved on without them, and so, they had no place left to go..
d. screwed over by their families.. yeah it is fucked up, but i have met a lot of people who were screwed over by their families.. this has happened to a lot of elderly people..

So here is my thing.. unless you have first-hand experience of what it is like to be in this predicament, you REALLY don't have a clue, and should not say anything about the poor.. what ever your rich friends or family told you about the poor, doesn't compare to the experience.. that would be like me telling you i know what it is like to wake up with "morning wood" and so who ever told you that the poor spends all of their money on "drugs and other shit" needs to shut the fuck up.

wow, very powerful.brings a tear to ur eye to know that some ppl live like that.after hearing that, it really pisses me off about all those celebs. who spend their money on overly-priced cars and expensive trinkets and some much other crap, when there are ppl who just hope they can make it day-to-day.*sighs*sometimes i wonder how we f***ed this world up so bad, until i realize that there are good ppl out there.but, i guess u can't have those who love without those who hate.....happiness come at a price, because ur happiness means that someone else is feeling as down-in-the-dumps as possible....well, i think i've strayed too far off topic so.....may the rich jelp the poor, and may the poor hang in there.....also, ppl realize how lucky u r to have a roof and food and clothing.

as far as i se it, the world is too dependant on money, when if you think about it what is money? a piece of paper or a chunk of steel with a design on it... in reality the money we value so much is pointless. but even still we depend on it so much. i have never been truely poor, i've never lived on the street or worried about where i'd get my next meal, so in that regard i am extremely lucky, but still money is a big issue for me, as a single guy going to university and together with my family as they struggle to make the ends meet each month. i honestly can't say i would envy the poor, personally i wouldn't mind having an extra bit of money. but i can't say the same of everyone, not eveyrone thinks alike and some richer people may envy the poor and others may not but in the end it is all about trying to help people so they aren't poor and never have to worry about where their next meal is coming from.

It is about status.. i mean why else would you buy a house that has 21 bedrooms, and you aren't even married?

It is a spitting contest.. or rather an game of one-upmanship..

"Tony has a house worth 3 Billion dollars"

"So I am going to buy a house worth, 4 Billion.."

it is easy to turn your back on those who were there for you when you weren't worth a dime once you become famous.. and these people make me sick to my stomach..

The people who make ASSumptions about those who are poor, even though they were born with a silver spoon in their mouths, and feel that just because they have a nanny, or a maid, they know what it is like to be poor.. these people really piss me the fuck off, and make me just as sick as the people who turn their back on those who were there for them..

While yes, there are some generous people who donate to charity, a lot of them do it for the wrong reasons..

some do it because they are jaded.. and need something to strive for (as aforementioned earlier..)
some do it because they want praise, and want people to think that they are charitable..
some do it for damage control.. the best example of this would be angelina jole.. she was throwing herself into he ambassador duties, as well as her work with the tsunami relief.. all the while she was fucking another woman's husband.. she wants people to focus on the fact that she is doing all of these good deeds, as opposed to the fact that she is a slut.

If i ever get rich, you wouldn't know me from a regular person..

I would still work..
I would still live in my apartment..
I would still wear the same kind of clothing..
I would use the same mode of transportation..

No sense in living outside of my means if i am not used to it.. I'd be what you call a "New York Millionaire" because that is how they do things..

mnoney=power, power=corruption, corruption=downfall.simply put, most who have money go power crazy, and this leads to their own downfall.but there are those that money does not affect, and those are the one's who deserve that money, for they will only do good with it(well mostly). ;D

Well said.

that true

The millionares have power... the people who have a house and play football and have to go to work each day don't

I dunno, if right now if someone came up to me and said "Here is a million dollars" (or I win the lottery or something so that I suddenly gain a large sum of money)

I know that I would probably change a bit (because money changes people) but most of my changes would probably be in appearance, for one I'd be driving a different car (i'd be driving a newer volkswagen jetta- for better mileage, but I'd have a 2000 viper and a 70 charger for show.)
I'd also probably be wearing either my traditional choice of clothes (jeans, t-shirt, work boots) or a suit.

but as far as working goes I'd still finish university and still be a lawyer.

but of course since I happened into some money, my family would be all hands as far as they could (immediate family I'd share some with, you know 50,000-100,000 to mom/dad, and 25,000-50,000 to each of my 2 younger brothers) but as far as my uncles and aunts, most of them can forget recieving anything (I rarely seem then and even then if I do, it's they usually because want something from my dad. )

as far as charity can go, I'll give to some but not everyone (otherwise i'd run out of money, which I'd want to use to live comfortably off the interest of.)

We can say one thing clearly... We'd always think of us more than others. And we should! You know yourself better than anyone... you see yourself more than anyone because you are you. But for some there's nothing in the world good enough for them and they want more and more... They'd have 10 cars 3 computers a drcusie, cinema tv ect. You shouldn't get something unless you really need it or if it would make your life better... Hey a big tv would be nice but it's not neccesary if you've got a tv already... a faster computer would be great but not till there's games that require mega computers.

I hope you understand that cause i only just made it and lived to understand :-_-:

sorry for sort of semi-gravedigging this topic, but i just had to.

From a first person perspective, nah, we dont envy the poor. Yeah, my dad is...i guess what you would call rich. Not a billion-aire or anything, but yeah, rich.

You people shouldnt cling to the scrooge and "all business is evil" stereotypes, who are the only rich people that television even portrays anymore. ESPECIALLY Disney and Nick movies. I know for a fact that no one in my family is a stuck up snob, my dad DOESNT throw around money (in fact, hes pretty penny-pinching) but we DO have some nice things to boot. Like a sort of in-home movie theater (not like full fledged. Just a projecter and a few seats, not too big a room). The thing is, my dad can get these nice things for himself because he earned it. He started out small, poor family in Canada, and came down to the US and made something in himself. Now hes in a powerful position of a Pharmacutical Company. He makes a LIVING on helping people. So i think he deserves to spend the money he earns on things he wants.

Oh, and before you ask... he donates to charities as well. Just not all his money. So yeah.. money =/= corruption. Stereotypes do.

You people? That is an interesting choice of words.. but nonetheless, no one is stereotyping anyone around here.. if anything, i basically said that the "poor people would spend money on drugs and other shit" statement was total bullshit.

You sit up and talk about stereotyping and yet the first words in your pst were 'you people' and then you go on to say that we hang on to the 'scrooge stereotype' as if we are only influenced by television.

I had already said that not all rich people were snobs.. if anything, I said that those with that attitude were those who did not earn their wealth in that it was simply handed to them.

Those who became wealthy as a result of their own hardwork, and efforts have a tendency to be rather cautious about their spending habits, and are less-likely to be frivolous with their money.. What you said about your father proved my point.

No one said anything about business being bad either, so I've no clue as to where you got that.

Money may not always equal corruption, but it is the basis for a lot of evil deeds, and it is usually the motive for the fucked up things that people do to each other and so it is perfectly understandable how money could be correlated to corruption. Given that, it is understandable how people can even link the two.

We have all stated logical, intuitive, reasons as to why the wealthy would envy the poor.. if you fail to see the logic behind it then that is on you.. but don't accuse us of being stereotypical just because you can't see why our points make sense.. or come up with a logical response to them.

I find it a bit ironic that you were doing the very thing in your post that you accuse us of. :whistle:

I think that you should re-read this topic as you may have missed some of the points in it..

I don't think we should envy the poor... i mean we may say. "I wish i was them... they can have fun" we can aswell ... we can decide how we act. We decide everything we do... so we can decide not to envy them... if that makes any sense

Um.. mystic, no one said anything about 'should.' If anything, you are the one who is saying that the poor should envy the wealthy.. :ermm:

and no, you don't decide to be envious.. you either are, or you aren't.. there is no choice in the matter.. Men don't decide to be envious of their spouses if their spouses are making more money than they are.. just like men don't decide to be envious of other men, just because some men have bigger cocks then they do...

FYI, it is very hard to understand something if it doesn't apply to you.. so if you were born into it, then there is no way that you would understand any of this..

It is a known fact that the more money you have, the higher your expenses are, where as if you are middle class, or working class, that is not the case..

So on some level, and a much less obvious one, some wealthy do envy the poor..

Taking these reasons into consideration, I would not be envious of the wealthy.. (come to think of it, i'm not really envious of anybody..) I know that should I becme wealthy some day, that I would be bored.. bbecause I no longer would have to want for anything.. anything I wanted, I could have.. that would be the key reason for me continuing to work..

So I guess what I am trying to say is, that I don't want to be rich, but I would want to have enough money so that my bills, and my other expenses, are not an issue.

Not a good first impression aye? :-[

ok, ill point to point this one

1) when i say "you people" i didnt mean to talk to the poor as if they're all one group besides the rich. My apologies if this phrase was misinterprated, its been something i use when talking to multiple persons about the same subject. Kinda like how i use "right," at the beggining of my posts sometimes (a bit of Monty Python influence i suppose)

2) I wasnt nessecarily talking to you. In fact, i could not nessecarily have been talking to anyone whos posted thus far. I've been pissed off numerous times about people who stereotype the rich as snobs, and tell me that business is evil. Its happened to me too many times. Nice to see that at least some people here dont do that.

3) You're right, there is logical reason as to why some rich would envy the poor. But that being the case, it really depends on how you got rich. If you're rich by leading a company, you couldnt simply just quit and give all the money out to people, or else you would be letting alot of people at your company down. If you're an entrepeneur however, its pretty easy to become poor pretty fast. What holds people back then i wonder? Such a greed for money that even envy of certain traits holds them to their current positions? (that was more of a rhetorical question then directed to anyone)

4) Its a fairly vicous cycle. On one hand, you can give good reason as to why the rich should envy the poor. On the otherhand, i know that alot of people envy the rich. Kinda like a Prince and the Pauper type thing. In fact...

*NOTE: once again, this is not directed to anyone here. Its more of a thing that I HAVE seen before, not nessecarily here. Just dont wanna be misunderstood again :-[ *
Some of the poor have so much envy that eventually it leads to a state of denial. Something around the Fox and the Sour Grapes. The fox wants the grapes really bad, but after numerous times to get them, he leaves and says that the grapes were probably sour anyways. Same deal here(sometimes), the poor envy the rich so much that eventually, they convince themselves that they dont want the money anyways, and think of numerous cons to it to convince themselves.

This topic's really confusing...

I am the kind of person where if I have too much of something then I become overwhelmed..

For example, I used to work a a movie theatre.. I got paid 7.75 per hour.. that was fine.. I got paid every week, and worked about 40 hours each week, so that worked out to about 310 dollars.. (before taxes, and the fee they take at the check cashing place..) so I kinda got used to it.. one week, during the holiday, I worked about 55 hours, and was paid overtime.. at the end of that week, my check was about 485 dollars.

my bills were paid, I had just gotten new clothes, and I aleady had a weeks worth of transportation.. so what was i going to do with the money?

I know it sounds crazy, but that is how I am.. that reason is one of the key reasons that I don't envy the wealthy.. I would become overwhelmed.. but then again, if i did suddenly come into a lot of money, i would know what to do with it.. I'd buy real estate, pay off my bills, and expenses, pay off my mother's mortgage, give money to the church, and put set up a college fund for my little cousins. The rest would be put in several bank accounts..

Then I would go on to live my life as if nothing has changed.. :)

Mystic, What is so confusing about this topic?

I think it is pretty straight-forward.

Gee, all these posts are so huge im so confused.

I know your pain dude :-_-:

You cant know if I told you.

this isnt some morel trip disny movie No they dont envy us they dont give a Sh1t there rich and they Dont envy the poor (my famliy is not rih or poor)

Im starting to beleive that the only one who could really give a straight answer on this topic is someone who started out rich, and then got poor. they dont seem all too common around internet forums though...

EDIT: to add though, i want to DO something with my life. I wanna invent something new, or make something that i can look back on and be proud of. Thats what i would focus on if i came into money. Hey, it'd give a few people jobs ;D

Not necessarily.

You'd also have to have enough common sense, intelligence, and be impartial enough to see things from an intuitive, yet logical perspective.