ok i did this one a long time ago but i want to see what people think so it back

o yeah no gods are in this fight and no one from DBZ to it not that i dont like dbz it just not fair

Eh.. I shoul have picked Rock, too. But I played Sonic Battle, and Shadow has a move where he turns invisible and when he appears he instantly hits for like 7 hits. It's like a totaly cheap move, which is why I say he would win.

i pick dante from Dmc

I picked Sonic but then I realized that there is someone who could totally own up everybody on that list.


NO ONE PWNS LIKE GASTON!

i pick shadow 'cause he can channel his caos energy to both offence and defence, not to mention he could just teleport someone else to a far off world just like he did with the black comet...or was that destroyed. Anyways shadow pwned :evilgrin:

No one uses Chaos Energy like Gaston.

I must retract my vote and agree with A.J.

Who the hell is gaston .___.

He is from the Disney version of "Beauty and The Beast". I'm fairly certain that he's not in the original story. Disney obviously felt there wasn't enough action in the original story. (because there is basicly NO action. it's a love story.) Gaston is, for a lack of better words, the villain of the film.

I'd say Megaman X.

My reasoning:
1- Sonic might be fast, but when you can teleport there is no escape.
2- X is an android. Androids don't tire like humans/animals do, so X would have much more stamina than everyone. And he'd stay nearly as strong if he were nearly beaten as if he was when he was fresh to the fight.
3- X's technology is years more advanced than anything the others would have seen, as a result his armor and weapons are off the charts compared to virtually everyone elses.

As for the listed individal character comparisons...
Sonic - sonics fast, but he's no where's near as strong as X, and he has to be up close to attack. Even in his super sonic form he has to be close to attack. But even then he can't maintain it forever, so all anyone has to do is avoid/wait it out and then beat him. But even with his super form, X might be just too advanced to do much damage to him.

Shadow - Shadow would be a tougher fight because he can teleport also, but again he would still get tired and lose due to that. Even with his super form, the same strategy applies, wait it out and then counter.

Masterchief - Apply X buster. Use a charged shot if necessary, or if you want to see some real fireworks.

Cloud - Dodge and then grab sword, apply buster at close range to face. As X would be far stronger than Cloud, X could easily take the sword from him and use it against him if X wished.

Sephiroth - Avoid the magic as best possible, Supernova might hurt, but it is for suredly going to hurt X less than it hurt Cloud. Other than that use buster repeatedly, if absolutely necessary, use the ultimate armor and apply a well placed nova strike.

Ryu - Ninja may be good against other humans... But they aren't so skilled against powerful androids. Andriod senses being sharper, would easily detect and eliminate Ryu before he could throw a shuriken... Not that it would do alot of damage anyway, as X's armor would just be too tough.

Mario - Fat plumber gets the business end of the buster. Luigi gets to clean whatever's left of mario's brains off the wall. Because lets face it, mario is slow, not particularly strong, has only a few powerful moves and compared to X or virtually any of the other combatants he may as well paint the target on his head and run past a rifle range repeatedly. Virtually all of the combatants listed here would elimate the plumber with superb ease, mario just really is that weak. Even with a star, he is still way too slow to catch anyone, so they could avoid it for the time it would last and then lay the pain on mario.

Link - Swordsman with a shield... Ok a bit trickier, but not harder than shadow. Again, Link has to get close to really inflict damage. He could try his hookshot but that might prove to be bad idea, considering X is stronger and would easily be able to pull Link and let lose a charged shot so that he pulls Link into a charged buster shot, thus ending the fight.
And even with his arsenal of bombs and boomerang and arrows, they're all too weak to really damage X... They might hurt the other combatants, but X's armor gives him a distinct advantage. Enter Link's super form... The onilink. Link gets stronger faster and has a bigger sword... But thats really about it. Take him out before he achieves this form. Or if he gets this form, then snipe from a distance or go all out and use the nova strike.

Megaman - Past vs future... X wins sheerly due to him being by far more advanced. That X buster makes the megabuster look like a peashooter.

Kari - Not sure who this is, but if they're human then they're already at a distinct disadvantage.

Sora - Human... even with a keyblade he stands no chance, as he has to hit X first, and it's already a given that android capabilities will bottom off where human capabilities are maxed out. And then he has to worry bout even if he hits X, it likely won't due any damage considering X's armor. So with that, it'd just end up being a fairly simple fight for X... (Though I am unsure of what other capabilities Sora posesses, but regardless, they won't be able to save him as even if he powers up to X's level, X can still go beyond and use the Ultimate armor.)

I say, which ever character is being played by this guy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N93oPdmNaI0
would win. XD

Kari - Not sure who this is, but if they're human then they're already at a distinct disadvantage.



he is from i show called deathnote if he see your face and has your name or has teh eye(it tell him your name) he can kill you


here more help
Death note- a supernatural notebook that allows him to kill anyone by writing the victim's name and picturing his or her face

EYES- Shinigami eyes let the user see your name must make a deal to get them by giveing half your life span to a Shinigami

I have to disagree with you VZ on a lot of what you just said. It's true, Sonic and Shadow would tire easier then X or Zero or any of the androids, but that doesn't mean they'd tire easy. Seeing some of the things they have faced and seeing as Sonic has to be able to maintain that fast speed for a long time I wouldn't think they'd tire very easily. Sonic's speed would also give him an advantage over X. If we're trying to apply technology to the scenario, then why not some sort of physics? Sonic could avoid practically all of X's attacks with his speed, and that speed matched with a homing attack would give enough energy for a nasty attack. Not to mention, Sonic has to have some perty sharp quills.

Shadow vs. X would be different as well. Shadow's Chaos Control is more instant then X's teleport. He could use it to combine attacks when hitting X or dodge, not to mention that he has the speed of Sonic and the strength to flip a bus. Who's also to say that one of his Chaos Spears couldn't penetrate X's armor charged with enough energy or equal one of X's shots. Shadow would probably be able to match X's fatigue as well for the most part because of how he was created. Also, taking off the rings on his wrist, as shown in Sonic the Hedgehog, Shadow has a LOT more power left inside of him.

Now we have to cover the Super Forms as well. It's true, Sonic doesn't have any long range attacks in his Super Form, but he has instant Chaos Control and he'd probably be too fast for X to see giving him a greater advantage. Not to mention his strength is increased substantially. He has defeated gods in that forms, such as Chaos or Solaris, though Solaris was with additional help. I think Sonic with the Chaos Emeralds would really be a quick win for him unless X had something to match those abilities.

Shadow on the other hand, he has distance moves in his Super Form, his speed equals Sonic's and his strength increases as well.

I agree totally on Master Chief though. He's nothing but a human on a lot of performance enhancer and with better combat qualities.

Cloud on the other hand, his omni Slash would do a fine job against X given the chance he could use it. X might not have time to avoid it either because he might not see it coming or understand what he's about to face, much how Sephiroth in AC was hit by it.

Sephiroth would be even worse then Cloud. In Crisis Core he is seen cutting through Genesis's Attack, his sword cuts through steel easily and could probably cut through other surfaces. Not to mention the Crisis Core events happened before he gained most of his power.

I agree on Ryu.

I agree on basically everything past that actually

I gotta disagree with you about the sonic/shadow fights. As Remember X's armor is from a solid 90 or so years ahead of Sonic and shadow's time. And a lot of improvements would happen. Their quills might be sharp, but even against some of Robotnik's robots the armor is too tough in places to beat, and that's present day stuff. Add 90 or so years of technological advancement on it. (And just of note, all the fight scenarios I presentdare X in his normal blue armor without any enhancements. If necessary he can power up to any of his armors.)

As for the speed, yes he'd have incredible stamina, but X is an android, and he just wouldn't get tired. Even if the fight took days, he could do it. Not that I suspect he'd need that long, but it would be available if he felt like toying with Sonic/shadow.
And sure Sonic/Shadow could dodge the shots at first... But for how long? How long could they keep dodging?

As for chaos control vs X's teleportation... Teleportation by definition is instantaneous, the we only see the beam slowed down so that we get to actually see X's enterance.

Sure SuperSonic has the speed advantage, and possibly chaos control, but we've already established that chaos control = teleportation and X can do that as well.

As for shadow and the others I'll finish them later, because for now I have something I have to do.

Well... Then there comes the second part. =/ I think Shadow, if not Sonic, could beat X because of Chaos Control. While the armor may be from the future, X is still an android. That means he has some sort of electronic function. Shadow's Chaos Spear has been shown to be able to stun robots or electronics and hurt them. X could be stopped by one of those possibly. If not Sonic, then I think Shadow would beat X. Not getting tired easily doesn't cut it when there are other abilities. X is limited in that area. And technology is tough to pin against the super natural. Not to mention, Shadow's Chaos control can also be used as a sort of 'time stop' as shown in SA2 and in Shadow the Hedgehog.

The way I see it Sonic has been destroying robots since day one. X and Zero are android which makes them robots. Following said hedgehog beats robot formula the result would...

Sonic > X & Zero

I dunno, I mean Shadow can use chaos abilities but there's no guarantee they could be any more effective against X than physical attacks. I mean giant lazers from battleships barely do alot of damage to X (Remember the battleships from X4? aside from taking the ground out they didn't hurt X too much.) And they're likely far more powerful than Shadow's chaos spears or chaos blast.

Shadows ability to stun machines may not apply to X due to his sophisticated nature and sheer level of advancement over the more primative technology Shadow deals with.

And as for Shadow's time stop ability... X can counter it with his Dark Hold move (from X5) but even if Shadow got his move off, I think he wouldn't be able to do any damage, as for physically based attacks X's armor is far too strong. And as I've said previously, X can withstand blasts far larger than what Shadow could produce normally, especially while he is using time stop. (Cutting his available chaos abilities full power.)

As far as super forms go... Shadows might be the deadlier with his enhanced chaos abilities. But I maintain a fully powered X would be comparable with Super Shadow, as Ultimate armor X's capabilities are all far more advanced than simply X's own. And even if the power increase was greater for Shadow than it were for X, X was already much higher than Shadow to start with.

But also, Super Shadow also has the time limit, he can only maintain the super form for a short time, and All X has to do is survive it (Which I maintain wouldn't be too hard.) and then it'd be Ultimate X vs normal shadow. Which would be an easy win.

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As far as Cloud goes... Cloud is fast, but he is still human and has limits. He might be beyond normal human limits due to his mako infusion, but he is still human. So while he might be stronger and faster than normal, X is still in a league much higher. (Even just his reaction time would be faster, as his mind is a computer/AI and processes things much quicker than a human mind could.)

So he may be faster and stronger, but X is still faster and most likely far stronger. X likely lifts things in the tonnes range (or for every 2200 lbs)

So, I maintain that X could remove Cloud of his sword before he could get his omnislash off and then X could end it.

As for Sephiroth, this fight could be tougher, as Sephiroth can fly, but even still he's gonna have to get close to deal most of his damage. And again, his sword can sliced through steel... but X's armor isn't steel, it's much, much tougher than that. So no telling if Sephiroth's sword could cut through it. Even at full power, Sephiroth might still be beaten due to X's android nature...

But none of the opponents would know what to expect if they faced each other... They'd have to learn as they went.

If none of the above could defeat X then i'd have to say Fayt Leingod from Star Ocean 3 (Star Ocean: Til The End of Time) Could beat X. His genes were altered to give him the power of destruction. In the game, Fayt actually destroys a whole battle ship with his power. Now here's the next thing. This game is a lot further in the future then Megaman X is so the ship he destroyed would have had more shielding protection, and made of probably better material. If Fayt could destroy that then I have no doubts his power could destroy X. Now given that completely destroying something will cause him to pass out as shown after the scene.. Fayt can also use a technique called Dimension Door, it's basically a teleport but it's more of an attack technique.

Then Maria, also from the same game. She has the power of alteration, which allows her to either make an object more powerful or destroy it.

That is true, Fayt likely could kill X or anyone here with extreme ease. (Providing he uses that super move.) But if he doesn't or can't trigger that move then he could be beat, likely by just about everyone. The key is he has to get the supermove off early and before his opponent knows what going on. And he has to hope they don't dodge it... cause once he uses it he'd pass out.

As for his dimension door, he can ue it, but it's pretty draining on him and he needs to rest a moment after using it a few times, so if the opponent could survive/dodge 2 of them, they'd have a clear opening to attack.

As for Maria, she'd actually be a tougher fight than Fayt would... Because she has had more training with her ability. So she could likely trigger her ability by will and reduce the force of everyone's attacks and increase her own to lethal levels with ease.

Actually, I don't believe Fayt actually launches an attack for ythe super move. I believe it's based off of what his mind triggers it onto. In the game that move comes from a situation of desperation, so I don't know if he could trigger his powers on that scale on his own yet or not, possibly since his techniques do get stronger and more controlled as he goes on.

But Maria is true completely.

The only thing about those characters is that they are normal humans, so while they have those powerful techniques, if one character couldn't beat them that doesn't necessarily mean another couldn't.

I have to say, Solid Snake. It's awful hard to hit a guy you can't find, and if the guy can carry a friggin Rail-gun on his person and whip it out like he's whipping out a snack cracker, not to mention if he used the stealth camouflage module that otacon designed in MGS1 that is always the unlockable item in every MGS (the same one the cyborg ninja used in MGS) Not to mention he has like a ton of other gadgets if you consider all his unlockable items. Then he could manipulate peoples emotions and everything. While I don't think Snake is as powerful as anyone else, if we're talking about potential, Snake has the most potential to control the battlefield, considering he has "game magic" on his side. ie: the ability for things to happen without any realistic explanation, like how the MKII and MKIII can be anywhere he needs it to be. This is explained as it having optic camouflage, but how does it follow him so well when he does things that even normal people can't do, and this crappy robot is supposed to always follow him? impossible. Not to mention that it travels all the way back to Drebin and exchanges weapons within the blink of an eye. Weapons that, if I might add, are far too big for the MKII to carry inside it's storage area but it somehow manages to do it anyway. If you consider the MKII as part of his inventory, he has a robot that can at least tazer, and can move around outside the scope of real time or space. But seriously, going back to the utility belt, he can carry more on his person than is physically possible. This includes weapons like the Tanegashima, which is a rifle that unleashes a devastating tornado. I mean, the guy can use Stealth camo and literally walk through other humans. Not to mention blow them away infront of each other and they still don't know where the attack is coming from. This makes Snake practically untouchable. Unless of course, you had some kind of area attack that did massive damage like Sephiroth did. Or like one of X's giga attacks. But that's where speculation and imagination make it fun.

And about shadows time stop, dude.. if a hedgehog could freeze time, you might as well say goodnight because I don't care how strong you are, if I froze you in time, i could beat on you for a minute, and you would receive all that damage in less than a moment. That's pretty devastating no matter who you are. Plus Shadow can use guns, and the only thing I've ever seen X get hurt from is the deadly boss touch, or the massive amounts of bullets his enemys fire, or bombs. (also snakes advantage)
And if Shadow can side step from real time, then he's already won... If I were to leave time now, you wouldn't even know I was gone.. I could travel anywhere in the world and take something from your house and you wouldn't have a clue how. Shadow's time stop is a super god cheap move. There is no defending against it. It's not like X can just wait for Shadow to come back from his "trip through time". He's not even in real time. X would be helpless. So would anyone else for that matter, even Snake.
But snakes advantage lies in the Optic Camouflage. Invisibility has it's perks.

And Kari can't really see snake's name if he can't see him. Not to mention Snake isn't his real name either. And nobody has ever found out his real name beyond "David".
Now there IS the problem of Snake's Optic Camouflage. This is that the bosses always can see him no matter what, so I'm not sure what designates him as invisible to one, but not to another. Maybe it relies completely on how much blood you've seen. Because his major enemies were usually battle hardened vets.

Ok, let's start with Snake first...

Snake has the stealth suit yes... But as you've admitted it can still be seen by bosses. But possibly this is because they have more advanced scanning techniques/capabilities than the common enemies. Which would make sense, as why would you outfit a common infantry with the highest tech scanners when they have little use for it the majority of the time. But yet the bosses are specialised and have weapons/capabilities that are beyond normal infantry and thus could definitely utilised the advanced scanning capabilities.

So now if we apply this logic, then any enemy with advanced scanning capabilities can do the same thing. (Be it either mystical presence sensing or advanced senses or whatever.) Remember it doesn't have to just be that they see their opponent to know where they are. (Remember Crying Wolf... She tracks Snake through his scent.)

So that being the case, X's sight for sure is more advanced but likely so are his sense of smell and hearing. Thus if Snake moves, X could very easily find him.
And even if X didn't want to take the extra to find him, he could just easily annihilate the area with the X2, X5Falcon armor or X8 Icarus armor giga capability. Forcing Snake to flush himself out if he didn't want to end up a smear on the landscape. (Because let's face it, if it can damage heavily armored reploids then to a human the results would be highly devastating.)

And while we're on the subject of weapons... Yeah it's true Snake has an entire armory at his disposal... but what good is it if they can't do damage to his opponent. I've several times mentioned that X being from the future has armor far more advanced than today's. And so today's weaponry will be rendered useless against the more advanced armor X wears. The rail gun might be the only weapon Snake posesses that even remotely poses a threat to X... But it takes too long to charge up to full power to fire more than once against X. (Providing X didn't know what the sound of it charging was the first time and counter it then.) So even if Snake got a single shot off with it, he most likely wouldn't be given time to fire a second. The telltale sound of charging would immediately alert X to Snakes location, and thus X could always counter.

As for Drebin and the mk.II, it's unknown exactly how far Drebin is away from Snake, he could just be around a corner or once he recieves the call he moves closer, and then the mk.II just picks up the order.
As for carrying larger objects... What about the mk.II just dragging them behind it slowly? Which is plausible if Drebin isn't far from Snake...

As far as Shadow is concerned... I'm taking that my past arguments have been ignored, as I've already countered them. But for reiteration.

X has strong armor. Guns and bombs from well before X's time are not going to do more than tick X off. As for the time freezing, even if Shadow used his time freezing, there is no guarantee that Shadow could do any damage. Doesn't matter how many bullets he fires if they can't hurt the person in the first place.

As far as Kari (Kira?) goes... I'm not sure if he could actually kill X. Because technically X is a machine and not really alive. And it's not like you could give him a heart attack. And I'm also not sure if you could manipulate X's mind like you could the others... So I'm unsure if Kira could force X to kill himself either. Though I guess it may be possible to have an entire building fall on X and that might possibly kill him... Though it'd have to be a pretty big building. (atleast a 6 to a dozen stories minimum. As humans have survived such size buildings collapsing on them as well.)

Shadow ftw.

Shadow could just chaos control to freeze time. Remember X and zero dont move nearly as fast as sonic and shadow do. Sure they can teleport, but when there stuck in a time rift, does it matter anyways?
Think about The last fight between Sonic and Shadow in SA2, if you just kept running, and shadow/sonci chaos controlled, youd run past them, and they need time to attack.

While X does LIVE in the future, he was BUILT in Megaman's time. Of course we've never seen how they found him, so his armor could very well be from the future. They may have found him naked in his sleep, for all we know. Unless, like zero, he was meant to be found fully armored. At the end of Power Battles, they show Zero fully armored in the 20XX century. We're also assuming X takes the full blast of every attack, since it's a 2D game, most of the attacks he takes have to be assumed to hit him full force. But Snake can be shot literally hundreds of times, as long as he has a ration with him. As well as many other bad things that could happen to him. Like being hugged/straddled and fondled by a beautiful woman, apparently. HIS TRUE WEAKNESS! It's like cryptonite to him. It doesn't work with Men though, since Ocelot kisses him once and it does no damage, so I think X would have to resort to conventional weapons.
And while I think X is very strong, I've never once seen snake get blown to pieces. Never. He just goes flying and screams like a baby. But I've seen X get blown to pieces! And X is only in the year 21XX... And MGS4 takes place somewhere in the future, but is never stated when, but it's sure not right now. So who says that X's armor is any stronger than current technology in the MGS4 storyline? I think, given Snakes inhuman nack for never keeling over, even when faced with viruses that were meant to kill his identical twin and didn't kill him, it would be a much more complicated battle than previously assumed. I don't think X or Zero are really so mighty that they could put down any human. While humans don't do hardly any fighting, even in the MMZ timeline, That just seems to be the attitude of the people in that universe, it seems. Look at Battle Network, they hardly did any of their own fighting untill the anime came out and redefined Lan's connection with his PET. But even then, there is hardly any Military power to speak of. Even in the original Megaman series, no humans ever fought, just robots. And it's the same for the X timeline. So it's hard to gage how strong X really is. I mean, yeah, he stood in a gunfire blast that blew away the ground around him, but a tornado will do that, and if you have good tough armor and weighed enough, like X does, you could probably stand in that and be okay. Don't get me wrong, I love X... I love X way more than Zero or any other robot from that series, but I just don't think he would so easily victorious, and I don't consider past arguments to be law for this situation. If X can't be hurt by conventional weapons, Then I say this:
That looks like a normal explosion to me. Not destroying half a block or anything, and it still hurts X pretty good. And I got that from Megaman X6, I think. Rock was designed in the year 20XX. We live in 2008. And there were energy weapons in Rocks time too, but if a simple explosion like the one above, can do damage just as effectively as an energy bullet, I would have to gage that energy weapons are no stronger than conventional weapons, probably just cheaper to mass produce. The only weapon that is probably stronger than conventional weapons, would be the Beam Saber, but then that could be argued that Sigma was just a wuss in past X games, because the sword is much much weaker in later installments, or that the enemies have gottan stronger.
lol.. this is really interesting... I think it's practically impossible to say for definite who would win, because video game logic isn't solid. It's a roller-coaster of ideas that don't really fit together well. Even if a character like sephiroth, who is portrayed to be an anti-messiah, can lose to someone. But really the only way to know if a character can lose, is by comparing the power of the person you want to pit against them, with the power of the one who defeated the person they are going against. If cloud never loses, than how can it be assumed he ever would? For that matter, Mario NEVER loses, except in Brawl, but brawl is not a real part of any series. As for Snake, and X, either of them can lose to anyone or anything, but as for storyline, they never do. So it's impossible to know. Snake has destroyed giant machines all by his lonesome, but then so has X, and it was none too easy for either of them. To just automatically assume that the future holds stronger weapons and armor, is... well... all assumption. It's been how long since they discovered Titanium? And they still haven't discovered anything stronger since then, and they've spent billions of dollars on war funding. There is no real evidence that supports that the weapons in Megaman X are any stronger than the weapons in Metal Gear Solid. If we're talking about the Beam Saber, even Frank Jaeger's sword could cut through practically anything, not to mention Raidens. If there was a game made to test this fight out, it would still come down to an even match, because no game producer in the world would consider either side to be unfairly stronger than the other...

Yotohan, you've beaten MGS4 I take it? well you do know it occurs in 2014 right... Not like 2045 or something.

But I remember that X was created at the end of 21st century... 2070 at the earliest, a full 56 years after MGS4. So between 56 and 75 years after the events of MGS4, X is just created.

And while I think Snake is cool, he's not in the same league as X. Snake gets shot with bullets... Not giant laser beams, missiles, slashed by beam sabers, etc... And it's not like X doesn't have his recovery items as well. And also, Snake doesn't have a nuclear fusion reactor in his stomach that can go critical on his death.
So I'm going to say that Snake definitely isn't tougher than X in any regards.

And as for that explosion, I'm pretty sure if Snake got hit by it, he'd be killed, or atleast horribly injured in a single shot. (Loads of rations be needed for that one.) But just because it's small doesn't mean it isn't powerful. (It could be a small but incredibly violent and quick moving one... but the reason it seems slow to us is because we are viewing things more or less from X's perspective and he sees it as slower than normal.) What about any shockwaves coming off of it? they might not be sprited but any explosion generates a shock wave that passes through the air. That also adds into the injury as well, so really if there were just the shock wave or just the explosion the injury would be likely be significantly less.

As for the comparison of technology... Yeah I think that once you start talking sentient, fully aware AI with freedom of choice you've gone well above and beyond anything in the MGS universe. Even above GW/JD who are large computers but are not truely self aware. They make decisions based on data presented to them using a set of logical rules, the rules may have changed but they still followed them.

And ofcourse if one exceptional human can kill a metal gear, then virtually all normal reploids with combat training loaded into them are going to be able to do the same with no problems.

As for past arguments I've made in this thread... Since each character would be co-existing in the same universe with the same rules applying to them, I see no reason why the arguments wouldn't apply. I'm not going to restate my arguments over again for each person if they hold true for them all. It'd just be extra reading and since no one other than ClockHass has provided a real solid counter to my arguments then I'm not going to make more new arguments until my old ones are sufficiently met first.

And BDX, I went over it numberous times... new example.
If you wear the impentrable bullsh*t armor, then it isn't going to matter how fast anyone is or even if they can stop time, they won't be able to hurt you. When they get tired you can simply introduce their face to mr. (or ms.) head snapping super-punch.
Well that is the case here, Shadow is fast/can stop time... but it is very likely he isn't gonna be able to do any ammount of damage without being in his super form. And even then I question it.

Okay.. you win. But what about Raiden? from the same series. In full cyborg ninja gear.
Or, more interestingly, Gray Fox in full Cyborg Ninja gear? He was stepped on by Rex once and didn't get crushed. Of course he was crushed the second time... and his arm was cut off by a laser before that. but what do you think?
Against X, i mean. Since X is so far the best.

Grey Fox... The thing about him getting stepped on was how much pressure did Rex exert on him? just enough to make it difficult or barely any? But that being said, Grey fox was the second incarnation of the cyborg armor... (the first being Kyle Schneider under the name Black Ninja) and being so it would be weaker than Raiden's. (Raiden's being a much improved version of it.)
Since this is the older version, I can't see it standing much of a chance against X. The cloaking ability might give some advantage, but he still has to get close to attack, and X's hearing would be superior, so he could hear the ninja move around to dodge his attacks and counter. And I'd doubt Grey fox could deflect an entire fully charge shot from X's buster... He might be able to deflect some of the basic quick shots (no charge whatsoever), but beyond that I can't see him able to.
So Grey fox would likely end up beat soundly.

Raiden might be tougher, because of his MGS4 incarnation... He'd certainly be stronger than X. (End of Mission 4 clearly shows that... No spoilers though cause that moment is pretty awesome.)

But as for his speed... He's not as fast as X, nor quite as much stamina, and normal knives can easily cut into his body through his armor. But he is still certainly faster than Snake. (And as for Full cyborg gear... Apparently he's basically 99% cyborg... From his throat down is all cybernetics. Only really human thing left on him is his head and spinal column. So that means he certainly has an advantage over Snake in not only speed and power, but his movements might be more precise and honed because his body can react quicker and would likely be more flexible than a normal person. )

Against X, Raiden might be more of a contender than some of the others... as his power (and likely speed) are enhanced to well beyond human limits. But again, he's going to have to get close to use that High Frequency Blade and strength. That blade is likely the closest thing to a beam saber that could possibly cut X's armor... So if he got close he might be able to forcibly jam the sword into X with his might and rip the armor apart... but saying that, he has to get close to X... And X being a ranged fighter is not likely going to let that happen very easily.
So if Raiden could get close he might win using his sheer might to rip X's armor open. But if he gets close enough, X could always use one of the giga attacks to send Raiden away... Doing less damaged to him than others, but still quite a bit of damage.
Raiden also seems not to care too much about the amount of damage he takes, evidenced by the number of knives and gashes and slashed Vamp put to him. So that could work against him if he decided not to dodge many of X's blasts. Or if he took a few in the start but kept getting close and blasted away by X.

It should be noted that X has about a hundred years of fighting capability by the time X8 and Command Mission roll around, so that is definitely a factor in all of X's fights. (This would be when X is at his prime and utmost in power.)


In the end, Grey fox loses. Raiden might lose if he doesn't get close... but if he can sucessfully get close he might beat X. Otherwise X would win.

Cool.. i love Raiden. And I know what you're talking about, that scene, and I thought it was kickass. okay.. so...
What about... T-X. From Terminator 3. The female Terminator. What do you think? There isn't a ton of information on her, but from what you know, Kill? or be Killed? Just X, we're talking about.

Against her, I think X would probably beat her with ease.

She is certainly strong, but then again so is X... And her weapons are powerful against humans and weaker Terminators. But X would be even more advanced than her. Because the terminators come from roughly 2029... and X at his earliest is 2070 and latest is 2099. But he reaches his full power sometime in the 23rd century. (22XX)

But even X at his weakest is still more than a match. He'd be stronger and have that extra 41 years of weapons development and refinement.
So his armor would be tougher for sure, and his buster would easily strip her metallic coating off (or atleast melt it off) then X could incinerate her body with a few well placed shots.

And in order for her to do any amound of damage, she'd have to get close and hope her nano-machines were powerful enough to affect X. Though 40 years of advancement would likely make him too advanced for her to affect him. That is if her drill could cut through his armor in the first place.

She could try to use physical attacks though it'd be likely they wouldn't work so well. As even the old T-800 could go a few rounds with her and survive.

I have some new information...
I was watching the intro to Megaman 4. It says that it was in the year "200X" that Megaman was turned into a fighting robot...
Dr. Light was already old when that happened. So either he developed some kind of youth agent that could sustain him for the next 70 years, or X was built a little sooner than you (zero) anticipated. But who knows. If Light could design a hologram that contains his very essence, then he's obviously in a computer somewhere and could have built X without his own body... so it's not a solid argument, obviously. But a good point to note. It could just be a timeline error on the part of the writers in Capcom, they change stories around often... whatever the current story is would be the orthodox version.
Since we are arguing about a fictional, imaginary story that is prone to revision, not something factual like say... the bible.

The bible isn't fact. It too has been revised by countless people, and despite what you say it was never written by god, it was written by humans. Even with inspirations from god, it was still a human endeavour, prone to mistake, failure and error just like anything else.

As for the timeline...
If Megaman was converted to a battle form in late 2009, then Light could have been early 40s when he did it... And thus live up to another 60 or so years... putting him at 2069 when he died... And this allowing the computer to put the finishing touches on X. Even if he only lived to 2040... If he programmed the computer with everything, then it could have assembled X on it's own after a few years. Though that route might have taken longer to do... especially if it needed to perform immense calculations in order to get X's exact specifications right. But if ti was done this way then it'd leave Light free to work more on the AI as well as plans for possible upgrades which the computer could later upgrade as necessary then manufacture. And since Light could just give the computer his voice, it could have created the holograms once the capsules were manufactured and explained the parts using Light's voice/looks to reassure X.

Uh. Can someone please elaborate as to how the Bible ended up in a topic about VG characters? :wtf:

*Reads back*

Oh.. :-_-:

After watching Mr. Nest play both Prince of Persia games for the xbox, I will say that guy.. (I don't know his name) I have seen him manipulate time, and change his fate. Other than that, I say Shadow.. but only because I think he is cool.

*Black Angel backs up and disappears back into the void from which she came.*

HEY! While you're in the void, bring back some OJ. I need more.

VZ what about Samus Aran, she's got some alien tek that could and might destroy X :ph43r:

or... Kratos! I'm really curious. Because according to God of War, he's a son of Zeus, but according to Greek myth, he's the son of a couple Titans loyal to Zeus.
So He's either a greek god, half-greek god, or a Titan. But either way, his name means "Power".
Or "Strength" if you spell it "Cratos".
But for this consideration we'll go with the GoW one.

Actually, we all know Kratos would win. Hands down. If not just by sheer tenacity.

Zero you got to rember we are cross unvislty here where cloud and Sephiroth they are like superhuman and if you seen teh movie cloud and Sephiroth were not flying but jump all the city so that mean they have to be strong i never seen X do that and they have rang atks to the moka he infusion with and if that dont work he can just croos teh comit with explose and blow up wihch i dont think X fast then that

and Sephiroth is sword is strong but it his strenght that aloud him to cut though all most any steel and if he can do that and get a hold of a beam weapon no more armor X and he his safer mode and the Meter to back him up so let see A metor and A Supernova coming out you no one can beat that if it hits and as you see Cloud And Sephiroth can beat X and Cloud was not using any Mako infusion when fighting in FF7AC so yeah

if i listen in class if enough heat is appiled to anything it will break and friction give of heat and friction is cause but the speeded up of partile so moving a superspeed mean if sonic or shadow move fast and keep hits in teh same spots hey can beat or melt X armor before he know what is happening so if sonic can move at teh speed of sound that mean He have X armor broken or melt in about min or less
and ever though he can fight for days on end with no armor he is dead and you forget all are not human the have a power souce so by the speed and power it take to cacth and kill sonic or shadow he would be tried and if he did when he my died of becuase he us to much power

Sry fo the late up date VZ but computer been down

Real science doesn't factor into an argument with VZ, Darkside. lol

Actually Sephiroth CAN fly, he does it all the time in FF7, though there is a theory it's actually Jenova in his form, I forget.

But yeah, X would win against almost everybody.

Cept Waldo, even X can't beat Waldo.

That's because X can't find Waldo. =O

I aggree and at the same time disagree with every one of you! Why? I'm not to sure. You all make valid points and some of you tried to incorporate logic but everyone knokws that if Master Hand had the master emerand everyone else would be dead yo.