Anyone else have this game besides me? It came out today for the 360 but has been out for a few days now. The levles are VASTLY different on the wii/ps2 versions.


Anyways, where to start off.

Ahh yes. Unless you are immune to motion sickness and able to react quickly, do not get this game, as my gf cant even focus. Sonic the hedgehog is fast. Yes FAST. Faster then you have ever seen. I can stress how fast his levles are. I thought, oh getting sonic back to his basics, running through lvls nonstop would be lame, but holy hell is it not. In my opinion, this game could potentially rank up there.

The soundtrack in this game is veeery jazzy which i like. And its nice and mellow, especially when your ripping through stages at 400+ mph.

However, the one thing that SEVERELY kills this is the werehog stages. They get very lame, and after the first 5 minutes, you'll be itching for the sonic stages.

Vid of me running through Act 2 of Windmill isle.

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I got this game for the PS2, and I agree. Things aren't the same as they are from what you've showed me.

Urgh, they kept the 3D aspect... I was sorta hoping they would have went back to the 2D style... Or go the MMX8 2.5D style for the speed levels.

And admittedly the werehog idea is incredibly stupid sounding from the get go. I'm not sure why Sega thought this was a good idea. Seems just like they're grasping at straws to hook gamers.

They should have made it so that instead of turning into a werehog, he'd return to his 16 or 32-bit glory. That would have gotten gamers of all ages looking at it.

Super sonic... Dark supersonic... Something like that, not a werehog. A werehog sounds like something for halloween or a knock off a horror genre.

And did they inroduce another needless character into the mix?

The whole 3d aspect in this game is very well done. You actually see whats coming in front of you. i know it looks a little fast, but i was boosting through the whole level. that and the fact that i did this lvl 10 times and memorized where things were and paths.

As for the werehog aspect, i have to say it bores me. However, my gf who isn't into the fast paced game play of Sonic actually prefers the Slow paced werehog sections. This game was designed for old gamers and new gamers to sonic alike, however If your used to sonic, you know that the werehog is too slow and boring. But like i said, my gf likes that so i guess it was people like her they were appealing to. So we had this system. Shed do the werehog lvls and ill rip through the speed lvls.

As for the whole 2d thing, There are 2d parts to the speed lvl. The part where it turns to the side are all 2d. Quite frankly, where would the advancement be if Sega spent all that time making a 2d speed with 3d werehog? They'd loose a ton of sales.

And i thought of something. Sega is the company, Sonic team is the one who works on this game. You cant blame Sega for sonic teams fuck ups. Sega created a lot of other good games, besides Sonic. Sega is not fail, the crew on sonic team is.


Also, I dont think they added chip as a character, more like a tag along. But in this game, only tails and amy are here. So far and eggman.

well lets think about that....that's because ps2 graphics suck and can't handle what a 360 can....

based on comparrison's i've seen...it looks like the wii version is a better buy. 360/ps3 may look a LITTLE nicer but the wii govve sonic the speed he needs and still lets you see WHERE THE HELL UR GOING!. im gonna get this gor my wii soon

Well, eventhough the graphics suck, at least it is affordable for people like myself. At least until I get a 360 or a PS3.

HA! for me that is never happening..EVER screw microsoft for purposely making flawed consoles...and no offense to microsoft fans....but its about time you guys got "The short end of the stick" Nintendo Shall Rise AGAIN!......

this game looks pretty similar to SatSR...oh but 360 users wouldn't know unless they have a wii.....like our buddy bdx.....well providing the weather's nice im gonna try and get my copy tomarrow....

and like i said....i've seen how the wii version looks....im confused about why they had to make the levels totaly different between consoles..but the wii will give sonic speed and enough control to know what ur doing

Yes. I can blame Sega for the sonic team screw ups. Here's my proof:

Sonic team makes the games, but they're given deadlines and constraints by Sega. If Sega says:
"Finish this game in 2 months time"
Sonic team either has to try and get it done, possibly beg for more time/money to do it. Or they have to give up right there.

If they rush the game then there is nothing that sonic team could have done beyond begging for more time, which I'm sure they asked for anyway.

Even if they don't rush the game, they (Sega) give the sonic team other constraints like how many developers they want on the project, or whatnot. Because in the end, Sega owns sonic team and thusly has power/control over them. (And to further drive in my point... Sega can intervene into sonic team's work and say: "We don't like this aspect... change it.")


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Heya, Techno.... What OS you using? Wouldn't happen to be windows XP or the accursed vista would it?
Cause if so I think you should be somewhat careful with what you say as technically Microsoft still enables you to play your halo. And remember how riddled with issues both XP and vista are...

Gamefaqs? IGN? Google images? Er... all those provide images for comparison, so it's not 100% necessary to own both consoles to compare. And even then, unless you buy the game Sonic unleashed on the rev, you can't really compare them very well anyway due to different hardware specifications.


Though actually I see why they would make the levels different... It's because:
if they do that, then people might buy multiple versions of the game so they can play all the different levels.
Or, they have different levels so you can't say that the game is just ported exactly from one system to the other.

points taken....oh and noce phoenix wright referance.. you get points for that....im surprised to know you've played it.

as far as the microsoft issue goes...I don't seem to care.. I'm running a legitimate version of windows xp...... but they get no sympathy from me on the issue of flawed 360's. and being to hardcore nintendo fan that i am...again i state.....

no offense to microsoft fans...but its about time you guys get the short end of the stick....you people have been taunting Nintendo fans for years for saying we gete the short end of the stick......well the tables have finally turned with a microsoft employee's confession of knowledge that they were making flawed systems.

Yeah, about that. I'm not getting a 360 because I dislike Nintendo, I'm getting it because it will be with my own money. It will be my first console that I actually paid for myself. The Wii is a good system, we all know that. But for me to get a Wii is pointless. Simply because of the fact that Christmas is coming, and also because my best friend is trying to sell his Wii.

well your decsision...your gain....your loss.

i respect your decsision

Yep, I've played Phoenix Wright... (Pretty good game too.)

But regardless of that...

Legitimate version of XP or not, XP still has had several issues with it. And it's still Microsoft made. (Also remember that one of the reasons people prefer to use XP over vista is because the games are more compatible with XP... So that means it technically is a game software... Much like the OS of the 360... The only difference is that microsoft made the hardware too.)
And don't forget, Nintendo also had a few hiccups with the rev... Or did you forget about those revs that died after an hour or two of playing back when the system was launched?
Though the 360 just had more issues and more prolonged troubles with them... (Compared to the rev and ps3.)

And really, in this case the 360 is no different than the Ford Pinto... (They knew they were making a dumb decision and they're paying for it now.) But, atleast they're owning up to it that they made some poor decisions and are rectifying them.

And I'll say now, I may not like a system, but that doesn't mean I don't recognize there are some good games on it as well as there are people who do like that system.

I have both the wii and the 360 and both systems are perfectly fine and have great games on them. But I hear alot more people saying that sonic is better on the wii but I don't really think I will like the control scheem if it's the same as "secret rings"

What? i never heard of that....And i got the 4th wii from my store the night of the launch.....guess that means there's less defective wii's than there are 360's...but i'll stop while i'm ahead..

vz i'm just curious....have you played apollo justice yet? or have you even finished the phoenix wright trilogy?

Still working on Phoenix Wright - Ace Attorney, haven even started the others yet. (But my schedule has kept me pretty busy so I don't get a load of time to sit down and play.)

I'm on Turnabout 4 though...


Though here is one of the stories bout the defective systems...
http://wii.qj.net/Defective-Wii-becomes-ef...pg/49/aid/74125

More video proof...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vB-i9Nxmctk

And another type of issue...
http://kotaku.com/gaming/wii/wiiconnect-br...-wii-216036.php
Not quite the one I'd heard... Which was on IGN or Gamespot... (But rather similar. Except that the system if it wasn't updated wouldn't work anymore... Scouring IGN reveals far too many results seeing as how it can't be limited to nintendos little white cubeoid. )

I've heard about this game, and thought about getting an X-Box 360 for it. THe game looks good, though I agree with the things said about the werehog crap. And then I'm pretty sure that the constant yelling of "WHOO!!" by Sonic and the loading time would kill me.

As for the speed of the levels, they're fine to me. THey're like the last levels of the earlier 3-D sonic games, and I was only excited by those levels. One thing that concerns me is the difficulty as you progress. I imagin it turnes from "challenging and fun" to "retarded puzzle-like shnit as well as stupid and annoying".....They did that with Sonic heroes, and I don't wanna relive that crap....D:<

Okay seriously why does everybody have a problem with sonic heroes? So it made people stop and think for a minuete..Big freakin deal.....regardless...i got my copy for my wii yesterday....

loading times are a very small issue....and sonic only yells WHOOO when you level up....its not that annoying..

I'm not wearing any pants...film at 11.....lol j/k couldn't resist

anyway i got my copy and played alot of it so far....think im about halfway done with the story....but then again i was up unitl 2:30 am playing it....but i'll tape it like bdx did so i can show the differences.. and for roosterteeth users...my review of this will be coming soon on my journal...just look for roosterteeth user cdrom1019

and its not the werehog stages that bother me...its how often they appear...and im not exactly partial to sega making people go through the old bs of 3 acts per world....but.....it makes for longevity i guess....slight graphical downgrade....but omg i love the re-vamped SatSR system.. if it wasn't for the graphical downgrade it had to take....it would be praised even more.

game's prefered method of play...wiimote and nunchuck.....

my prefered method of play.....classic controller.....

so far what are we missing? multi-player.....this is getting rediculous...your getting games that are supposed to be great when they come out only to find out you can't play them with your friends.. SatSR had party mode....why can't this....but more on this later.

YOUR TURN!

People complain about vista, but like i told my mom and B.A, its not half bad. The whole prompting you i like, plus i can run my emulators from my gfs computer because vista auto networks.

Also this game has nothing to do with Sonic and the Shitty Race. That was unbearable.

And i guess you could blame Sega...you'd think theyd give their prized mascot some more time.

Also the loading times for the unleashed for 360 isn't that bad, even with the hard end graphics. BTW Its not that it just looks nicer anyways, the levels are completed different. Ill give a run through chun-nan and Empire City, if you can record it Phantos for comparison purposes.

BTW 360>PS3>Wii. I never buy a system when ti first comes out, and im glad i didnt for the 360, as everyone around me got there RROD cept me. My xbox runs amazing. I love the fact that you can download demos to play (on some, also i think the ps3 is capable of it as well, and a rumor that the wii can). The new xbox experience is kind of cool. Its like the xbox version of the Miis for wii.

Also, the reason why he was saying WOOH so much in the clip was because i was boosting.


P.S i lold at the PW.

No! not "kind of like". IT's actually "A Complete Rip-Off of Nintendo's Mii System."

alot of the stuff from MS's press conferance at E3 this year was ripped off from other companies. And i Quote from zero punctuation "And if anyone tries to counter my argument you are wrong." Now why do i say its a rip off? there are slight differences but its too much alike. The avatars are way to similar to nintendo mii's and the camera....please Sony did that first....Eye Toy...im sure there was others but im to lazy to look like right now.

I wouldn't worry bout the ripping off each other's sytems at this point because by this point each company has done it in some shape or form.

But to this statement...

I concur. It's almost as if Sega wants to make the games fail so they can stop bloody making them and start on a new series.

As fro vista... have an argument against it, but it's neither the time nor place to mention it here.

I actually avoided putting this game on my Christmas list because I thought it'd be such a huge fail.

You can't judge a game until you try it yourself.

Ever heard of "Don't knock it till you try it"?

Yeah, but there are a couple problems with that line of reasoning here...

1- This is Sega and because it is Sega...
2- 3D sonic has had quite a few issues on each of it's ventures. (Have we forgotten Sonic 2006 and Shadow the hedgehog already? not to mention the others...)
3- This has resulted in the majority of fans to be skeptical of each game so this way they're not disappointed if it fails (As it inevitably will.)

omg....here we go with shadow the hedgehog again. What was so bad about it? so they gave shadow a gun.Big deal...get over it...if you don't want to use the gun then don't...just use the homing attack. as for sonic 06....i never played it but i've seen videos on how bad it is.

I mean it was so badly designed.. don't believe me? what other reason do i need to prove my statement than this?

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Lols that's a funny video

The problem with video games these days is that the producers expected to chug out games every month or so. Good games take time. Even more time with the graphics we have these days.

I think that the Sonic Team have fallen into that "Lets make lots of games" trap. That said, I haven't played a Sonic game for ages because I bought a Wii and they haven't got many good games on it so I've given up and went back to my old friend. PC gaming.

(Now to put a little off topic in) I love PC games because most of them go through the console process and if a game's worth buying to play by the time it's out on PC then I've played it round my friends or seen decent videos about it. Sure I still get the same disappointments that you have with consoles but then again I don't buy as much games as people with consoles seem to do. Over the last 3 or 4 months I've lived off Call of Duty 4, Age of Empires 3, Team Fortress 2 and Starcraft. And now I'm playing Left 4 Dead, Fallout 3 and Command & Conquer Generals.

The thing that you might not notice in those is that a few of them are old games. I just think that new games have lost their replayability. In Sonic Heroes and Shadow The Hedgehog, I completed it easy... then didn't want to go back and play it because I had no good reason. It wasn't fun enough to do it again nor was there anything I was missing (except the chaos emeralds but they were too much hassle to get).

wait....you never got to the last story on sonic heroes?

Why does everyone assume that I take issue with the gun aspect of Shadow the hedgehog? It's not the bloody guns. I'll admit, I thought the gun and vehicle aspects were stupid, but then again I think alot of things are stupid... But it's not the reason I lamblast the game. They could have had him riding about the level on a nuclear powered butterfly with funky glowing backgrounds and I wouldn't have cared so much... As long as the controls worked. That being said I should think it's obvious what my issue with Shadow the hedgehog is, but incase your dense I'll spell it out: It's the fact the controls were pisspoor. Seriously, take a step and watch Shadow slide about like he's on a patch of ice. Why helo thar ground, I see you are a skating rink of concrete... Wheeeee!

I never made it to the last story on Sonic Heroes either? So what? It was a ridiculous idea to bring back earning Chaos Emeralds, at least in that way.

As for Shadow the Hedgehog. It was more of the story and perfectly poor quality graphics. The game play was alright, not great, and the multi player game dragged.

To be honest, I'm still not convinced of this games quality... There were-sonic part was a REAL turn off of mine for this game.

LMFAO at the vid man. i know some pretty glitchy things with that game. I should make a vid of me fuckin with Kingdom Valley.

Shadow the hedgehog was....decent. But the physics for the game were horrid. The spindash slowed down going down hill, also the controls were pretty crappy. HOWEVER i will say this, do you know how hard it is to turn when your running fast? It isn't that simple. So the whole hard to turn thing should account for the fact of how fast you were going.

As for the guns, meh. I didn't pick any up unless i needed too. The guns didn't effect the gameplay at all for me.

P.S for sonic heroes and the emeralds, Get them as Team Wussy as its the easiest to get them.

Ahh, now for Sonic 06. In my opinion, i think the game was incomplete. If it wasn't, then it was a pretty decent game. The problem was the fact that sonic wasn't fast at all. (Come on a race vs Sonic man?? get real). The story wise though was actually pretty good. The game had a TON of potential to be something great, but alas, time constraints and Sega rushing them and the video up there was the reason why it failed.

P.S. I like Jason Griffith(?)'s voice acting as sonic. Cmon Sonic has to grow up. Even though Ryan did a good job with sonic in SA/SA2, But with the new look of sonic, i think Jason's matches better. Its like Sonic has grown.


BTW i beat Sonic Unleashed. Super Sonic = Fail. It no longer runs on Rings, but rather energy. Essentially you could float there for an hour. Every time you get hit, you lose rings.


I look at all these reviews and everyone saying "Sonic needs to go back to the basics". Did you forget that sonic wasnt about running through shit as fast as possible? Sonic 3 and knuckles required precision and had some puzzles and what not. Besides, where would the advancment be if sonic stayed the same? You cant blame Sega for trying something new. Even mario changes. Would you play Megaman X/legends/zero/BN if it was the same as Megaman 1? I doubt it.

BDX does have a point.

Sega's trying, they may do a shitty job sometimes, but they ARE trying.

The Megaman series is a good point, each of the series is different from the last.

Classic series: Rush and his forms.
X series: The multiple Armor pieces throughout the stages, different forms of gameplay with Zero and Axl.
Zero Series: The chips and Cyber Elfs.
Battle Network: RPG series
ZX: Biometals and such

Sonic Team do screw up, all humans do.

Try the game for yourself before you complain it sucks, I may be the Most Pessimistic member here according to the HC Awards, but even I know to try something out before saying it sucks.

I liked Shadow the Hedgehog, I really did, I admit I found problems with the game, just like I had problems with Sonic Heroes.

I haven't played 06 yet but intend to, same with Secret Rings, Black Knight and almost every other Sonic game I haven't played yet that's out.

I find the Werehog intriguing and hope that it IS like Knuckles' gameplay, I liked beating stuff up with Knuckles in SA2:B

Yes, it is a big freakin deal. Not very sonic-esque to stop ever 30 seconds to hit some switches and take 5 minutes to knock the helmet off some giant bot to kill it. Peeps have their own opinions --as well as tolerances-- so no use replying about that.


as for Shadow The hedgehog, I'll give my two cents. Sure the controls were slippery, but hey, don't forget tha it's a game. And what are game supposed to provide? A challange! yay! :D I adjusted to the controls and I loved the guns.

"KING KONG AIN'T GOT NOTHIN ON ME!!!"

*jumps in the air and sits their in the air while shooting everywhere*

AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!



but anywho, yea. i think we, as gamers, have changed our views of gaming for the worse. We have to adapt and conquer, not complain and criticize. Hell, if it successfully wastes my time, it's a good game.


And for sonic heroes, I beat it too, which makes me notice something: Why are all the recent super battles boring? I've found all of the recent ones to be impossibly hard because I'm flying around not knowing how to go about killing the bosses exactly, but when I do find out, it's easier than the first levels, thus bringing it to a quick end. (Metal Overlord died within 45 seconds my second time fighting him. But then, I was going for a speedy finish to prove I didn't like the fight...long story.)

I concur. That is the only thing that they should have left the same IMO. The whole Super Sonic running off of rings made it more of a challenge, seeing that you have a choice to make. Either get the rings or hit the boss.

okay....shadow the hedgehog....did anybody play the GC version? cuz i had a lot of precision on the game.. when i wasn't getting lost i was getting a's on alot of levels.

sonic heroes....w tricks to the chaos emeralds...get all the keys as team rose..their levels are the shortest.,...its also easier to accuire the emeralds when you find out you can hold down the boost button

sonic unleashed....super sonic will lose rings over time....i kinda like it that way though....it gives you more time to cencentrate.

4kids dubs...i actually kinda like the 4kids dubs....the voice fits kuckles and shadow better...it definatley fits tails since he's 8 years old...amy's fine and i kinda like sonics voice.....too bad that's the one always in dispute.

oh and i beat sonic unleashed too.. got it friday and played from 11 to 230 am....played slightly on saturday...beat it on sunday...my video coming soon

Keep in mind, the 360/PS3 versions differ from the PS2/Wii. Btw, Team Rose = Team Wussy. Team Blast is Shield, Lvl up + invincible? Wut.


And i have the Gamecube version techno.



BTW, I got my second S - Rank On Empire City (The NY city Level)



Where is that DAMN 4th emerald?! <--- I lol every time.

I don't know mate.

There's several reasons why gaming seems to be getting, well to be quite frank, boring.

Maybe it's because everything's like another game and it's boring? (e.g. Saints Row is like GTA as far as I can tell yet COD4 was a very successful first person shooter BASED IN MODERN DAY but when the next one comes out it'll probably be boring.)
Maybe we're getting bored of internet play?
Most games coming out are using old characters doing old things (would explain Sonic and Mario)

Oooooor...

Maybe games are just getting boring? Maybe gaming was always one of those lakes that would dry up eventually?

I found that WoW got boring and therefore I find that almost every MMORPG won't work for me.

Or if what you say is true then I believe it's because all of us who have played games from the Sega Mega Drive to the N64/PS to the Gamecube/PS2/Xbox found that each one was a massive jump. It went from 2D to suddenly 3D.... then from 3D to 3D which was more powerful and pretty nice graphics... Now it's gone to 3D with amazing graphics with PS3/Xbox 360... But it's been 3D for the past 2 generations and all the new games on these consoles are just better versions of the ones we had on PS2/XBox.
I remember every game I played wowing me somehow but now it's like you pick it up and start playing it... then by the end of it you stop playing it... and you haven't once gone "Wow that was amazing" or "Cooooooooooooool" while actually meaning it.

Another thing is...

We take games soooooo bloody seriously these days. I mean sure everyone wants to win but everyone else can still have fun at the same time surely? On WoW I was always like "Come on lets go raid another town!" And everyone else was like "Why!?" and so I said "Because it's fun" and they say "Nah i want to farm for armour and stuff"... Where's the fun in that!?
Games used to always be about those little tricky puzzles where you had to get things right. Even stratergy games you used to have this path which would allow you to knock out their power of something so then attacking their base would be easy and you could watch the impressive explosions and things.

I don't know why we've been lead to this serious situation but I think it's effected all of us...

Ok, looks like I have some issue addressing to do...

BDX-

Straight out turning is hard... But remember we're not exactly dealing with perfect transference of physics here as Sonic can somehow make these lightning quick 90 degree turns at impressive speeds. So shouldn't you be able to get the controls to be able to handle half decently? I mean if the controls are fail, then any experience with the game will be marred by the controls.

Agreed. Besides, I'm sure I've said to atleats a few people its about time to let go of the clinging to Ryan from SA. And I've played SA and I didn't think he was all that great as a voice for Sonic anyway. (Yeah, I admit, I think Griffith is better.)

Remember the Megaman series has evolved, but it kept the core of the game the same. Sure you could boil down every Megaman game into MM1... but that's not what I'm arguing. What I am saying is that Sega needs to do like Capcom, look at what made their games a sucess and build on that. Because if you look at X1, you'll see that the armor component, while a massive change made sense and in further games they built on it and made it better. But Capcom never removed anything to make the game better.
That is until the Zero series... but it was another return to roots type game, where Zero had buster/saber and some other new stuff but it kept the core gameplay the same as MM1-9/X-X8. But since it featured Zero you already knew he wasn't going to have the Armors like X or the exact same weapon system that X had (cause Zero =/= X.) So all they did in the Zero series was expand on what they'd done in the X series.

So I'll give it that Sega might have gotten the speed/level design right... But they're still wrecking the other major issue of their games... The chaos emeralds.

The story also could use a return to roots as well... Lets be rid of the nonsense of this rival type Robotnik and make him a villian again. Evil, I say, EVIL.




Mystic-

As for why people take games serious... it's because game developement has gotten bigger and more costly in time and money. Not to mention that we're in the midst of an economic crisis, so people don't want to spend hard earned money on poorly made games.

And your right it is about fun, but the problem is that games take so long and so much money to make that game developers don't want to take as many risks because they lose so badly if a game fails, so they'd rather make games that are similar with a twist so they hope people will like them and not ignore it. But as you can see this leads to a flood of games that are all the same and no one wants that much of the same.

But what I've said addresses the boredom issue, but it's not that the well of creativity is running out, it's studios not wanting to take chances... So until we can strike the happy medium of time/cost to make games vs the creativity and complexity, we'll see this phenomena over and over again.

Yes but even they have gotten complaints about the repetitiveness of the games.

Sonic kept the same aspect which is speed. All they did was make it 3D. The chaos emeralds are where they fail, as now he only uses the power to fight the final final boss of the game.

i actually agree with that BDX.. one thing i loved about sonic 2 was using the reset glitch(thats what i call it) what's the reset glitch? go into options and switch to sonic only(im not sure if it works with sonic and tails or tails only) then press start

go through the first to acts getting as many chaos emeralds as you can. press reset...go to options...press start...you start over but you retain the chaos emeralds you've earned.

that said...i had the 7 emeralds on level 1 to the end of the game.. the fun thing was getting 50 rings and blasting through levels with SONIC SPEED. that would be nice if they were to do that....but i also kinda like how sega has been doing things.

this way...the chaos emeralds are tied to the story so you don't go throught the bs of getting a key or enough rings...avoid taking damage, finding the posts or getting to the end of the level...failng the special stage and doing all that bs all over again.. this way of collecting the emeralds as part of the story is cleaner and more enjoyable.....using the emeralds only in the end boss fight also provides something to look forward too.....sooooo all in all....i guess im kinda neutral