Obama is the 44th President, formerly known as YAY!!!!!!!!!!

OBAMA IS THE 44^th PRESIDENT OF THE U.S.!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Landslide Victory.

Obama - 338
McCain - 156

Not that I particularly care, though I should, congrats BA.

Actually, many of the states were a lot closer then what the electoral votes show.

I'm not particularly happy with an Obama presidency, especially with a democratic congress.

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Im just gonna walk away. I was gonna post about this but its gonna be pointless...................................................................................................

its spreading

This post has been edited by technogeek on Nov 5 2008, 04:31 PM

Finally an african american as president proves once and for all that every race is equal to those who didn't believe.

that i will agree on but its all i will agree on

Congrats to Obama, he really deserves it. A lot of people wanted him to be president.

Nice, my Uncle who lives in USA also voted on him. McCain seemed to me like a second Bush.

Yep, I agree. I find it funny how McCain changed his campaign mid race. I think it only showed how inconsistent he really is.

How can he claim originality when Obama was promising Change since the beginning? As soon a he chose Palin, it was "Original Mavericks" he only chose her because he wanted to try and get some of the support that Clinton had among female voters.

I like that Obama was consistent with his message throughout the race, and I liked where he stood on the important issues, and that was why I voted for him. All McCain was lobbying for was the support of the rich, and those who didn't mind Americans dying overseas, just as long as it wasn't theirs. Some might join the army because they want to fight for their country, but a LOT join because of the opportunities it promises. The rich don't have to worry about that as much because they have more of an opportunity and more money to persue them.

While Obama spoke directly to the little man, those who were most affected most by the economy, and addressed their concerns, McCain spoke to the wealthy, and that is what hurt him. He simply doesn't know how to relate to the Average Joe, and he doesn't know how to relate to minorities, as other Democratic hopefuls have in the past. That doesn't make him a bad guy, it makes him a bad candidate.

That said, I voted for Obama, and cried when he won. I haven't watched the World Series, Olympics or the Super Bowl as hard as I was watching last night's election. I was skeptikal at first, but I am happy that he won.

They took a poll, and the majority said that race was not a factor in this election.. I believe it was 84% that said that. 63% said that the economy was the most important issue. While others said that it was healthcare. There were also some who voted for him even though they knew that it meant that they'd have to pay higher taxes. For crying out loud, he flipped 7 Republican states, and took the states Bush had in 2004.

However, I would be lying if I said that I wasn't proud of the fact that we have made it from Slavery to the White House.. but I don't consider that to be a Black thing so much as it is an American thing. I simply voted for the person I felt the most confident about, (like I always do,) and if that person happens to be from a different party then so be it.

This just happens to be the second time I went Democrat.

And technogeek, please edit your post to remove those periods.. they are stretching the tables..

My dad works 7 days a week almost every week. My family earns over 250,000 a year. My sister is in the Air Force, my brother in the Army, and my other brother in the Navy. Both of my parents served in the Army.

McCain didn't fight for the people who didn't mind people dying over seas. That's outrageous to even think that. That's almost equal to calling the people who voted for him unpatriotic. McCain fought for the war because he has experience with it and because the terrorist over in the Middle East DO want to destroy us. If we pull from Iraq, after an especially successful serge, then it's encouraging the terrorist. In fact, if we leave before there is a stabilized government in Iraq there'll be more chaos that invokes overseas, as well as terrorist movement to bring the fight here. Doesn't seem likely? Look at 9/11 and the world today.

As for the economy. Obama's plan is ridiculous. I might as well not even work now. Obama will take care of me. I'll just go into that 38% of people who don't even pay taxes and will be getting welfare checks. Anyone under 250,000 a year gets a tax cut and 38% doesn't pay taxes under that. It is redistribution of wealth and it's stupid.. It is a socialist policy. I didn't call Obama a socialist, though he's the closest thing to one to ever reach the white house, but I said the policy is a socialist policy.

Palin was actually chosen to bring enthusiasm to the ticket and before the market crashed McCain was pulling ahead of Obama. I don't think she was McCain's down fall, especially since she had more experience then Obama. Palin actually did things as governor. What did Obama do as senator? Vote present and run for president.

Obama basically had this election given to him. McCain faired very well for the 8 years Bush handed the country. Obama had basically every media network in the country covering him and favoring him. Everything was against McCain so to say that Obama deserves to be president, or that he even earned it is preposterous. I could deal with Hilary Clinton or Biden, but Obama is not a person i will ever support, even as president of the United States.

wow......a man with the balls to post an argument......your my hero clockhass.

although i think we're all gonna have to bite the bullet on this one.

as i have said many times before.

"there comes a time when we must all play the pipes and eat crap"

as we will be doing after inaugeration. Im not against obama because he's black God no... I'm againt him because his religion is pretty screwed up. personally.....i think he's a liar.

He says he's a christian but my theory goes like this. No christian in the right mind is pro-choice. So yea there's gonna be change.....and change of the bad kind.

change 1. African american as president.......Ok no problem with this one. I have no problem with an african american as president. again its what he's gonna do that urks me.

change 2. changes to the national anthem....WHAT?! what reason is there to do that...

change 3. higher taxes.....ugh i just turned 18 come to find out soon im gonna have to pay high taxes.

change 4. democratic president......If it wasn't for the fact that i don't think obama's gonna do anything good in his term.....i would pu up with this.

now im really worried about change 2. yea yea ur probably thinking. "its a song...so what?" "SO WHAT!?" i would reply.....

It will be a cold day in hell....A F****** COLD DAY IN HELL....when some man....let alone the president....tries to change what this nation is based on.. Need I remind you this nation is built on "In God we trust" and "One nation under God" eventually everyone is going to forget that....and that's what sickens me about the human race....Caucasian, African American, Indian..etc.

AND I REFUSE TO SIT ON MY ASS AND LET THAT HAPPEN

sleep tonight with that on your mind.

Bullet time out!



This post has been edited by technogeek on Nov 5 2008, 04:43 PM

Whether you agree with his policies or not, it doesn't change the fact that we have 4 years to see what kind of leader he'll turn out to be.The wealth distribution may be unfair, but I think that that might be a temporary solution to help rebuild the economy. I don't think that if it were permanent, that the Republican states would have gone for it. You don't think that Obama is the man for the job, well, unfortunately for you, the majority of the country says otherwise. Same thing with Bush.. many people didn't believe that he was the man for the job either, but there was still a majority of those who did.. in BOTH elections.

To say that this election was handed to him is ridiculous, because if that were the case then there would have been no point to having an election. He was given the same chance as any other candidate. You say that his religion is messed up, well, I have to agree with you there. There are far too many Christians out here trying to pass legistation, and restrict the rights of people because of the what is in the bible.. such as Gay Rights (be it adoption or marriage) and Abortion.

If you want to be technical, this country wasn't built. It was stolen, and those that lived here before, were forced off of their land, became victims of genocide, (many of them for their refusal to convert to Christianity..) with many of them dying as a result of the diseases that the Europeans brought with them when they came here.

I'm not even going to touch Christianity, as I have stated what I thought of it.

I admit that my statement about the war was unfair, and for that, I do apologize, however, as the last 8 years have shown, war doesn't solve everything. At some point, you'll have to stop and wonder if there really is another way. It looks like that when it comes to Iraq, there is no right answer.

I disagree with the statement about a Christian being Pro-Choice, on account of Free Will, which is supposed to be the right that God gave to ALL people. Otherwise, if he didn't want people to have a choice then he would have just forced him to do as he wants them.

Just because someone is pro-choice, doesn't mean that they are pro-abortion. Just because someone is pro-choice, doesn't mean that they are going to go out and have an abortion. It just means that they respect a woman's right to choose which option is best for her. I am pro-choice, and I have been pregnant, and I couldn't bring myself to do it.

I'm happy that the person I supported has won the election, he has a hell of a job ahead of him, and I am eager to see what kind of leader he will turn out to be. I think that it can only get better from here. As far as I am concerned, this country is based on freedom, and freedom of choice. I don't think that Obama is trying to change that.

That's all I have to say on this.

Techno, your argument is full of inconsistencies...

For Obama being a liar? maybe so, but don't ever think for a minute that Mccain was going to tell the truth for everything either. And in this case, what Obama believes in for himself is none of our business as long as he doesn't do like Bush and impose that religious will on everyone.

As for the higher taxes, do you realise that no matter which person won, the taxes were rising either way for some... It just so happens that Obama won. Now as for him being a socialist... (like you said Clockhass) You do know that socialist theory isn't all bad. A universal health care system does indeed work. (Which, I might add, I live in a country which has a universal health care system.) And the taxes you pay are not that much higher than you might think.

As well as redistributed wealth does help some... consider for a moment your life gets royally fucked, you don't get a good job right away, you get injured or something, without money there is nothing you can do and that may affect your family well into your kid's life times. With redistributed wealth it gives people a chance to change and get back on their feet. Which kind of leads me to my next point...

As it's going, the middle class is suffering worse and worse, the poor get poorer and the rich get richer. The poor pay for nothing because they can't and the rich pay for virtually nothing (well pay for less at any rate) because they know the tricks and secrets to saving money. So that leaves the middle class to pay for everything and drives them further down into poverty. Now what happens if too many become impoverished? Easy, economy collapses and it becomes a Marxist type revolution. Think civil war, except the rich are vastly out numbered. And if that happens the rich will not win.

As far as the national anthem, might be time for a change... The times have changed and it might be interesting to see what kind of song could be used to inspire the patriotism of the next generations. I mean let's face it, the old US anthem has had it's fair share of liars and poor representatives, it might be time for a change... Something new which could reunite a country.

But you know, just because the anthem may change doesn't mean what the country stands for has changed, it's not like you've heard what the new anthem is yet, right? so for all you know it could be better than the old one.

And my problem with the anthem is just that... Reliance on God... What happened to seperation of church and State? That kind of bought it with Bush in power and I think Obama realises this. It's time to set things right. If you don't like it... Tough shit. You're a big boy now, you can just learn to live with it. So in the future, try not to throw tantrums bout it, it won't solve anything, m'kay?

And speaking of Sarah Palin... Was she not the one who wasted Tax payers money to buy some expensive clothes or something stupid like that? Do you really want someone who would spend money on frivolous things like that? Atleast with Obama he's proposing a change which will benefit all with the universal health care.

Changes to the national anthem? When did this happen? I never heard anything of this nature until today. Frankly, I'm against it simply because the Star-Bangled Banner is an inspiring song to me. It echoes the battles we, as a country, had to face in order to prove that we are a powerful and free nation, despite America only being around for 200 some odd years. As far as the country being founded on religious beliefs, that may be true but I remind you that America was originally a colony of England used solely for the purpose of gaining wealth for the crown. I must also remind you that the first couple of colonies failed due to the fact that the so-called Christians just wanted to dig for gold. Religious beliefs may have a huge part in our lives but America is NOT the Jesus Show. If that were the case, why would people come from all over to world to America in order escape from religious oppression?

In his inaugural address, Abraham Lincoln said "The mystic chords of memory, stretching from every battle-field, and patriot grave, to every living heart and hearthstone, all over this broad land, will yet swell the chorus of the Union, when again touched, as surely they will be, by the better angels of our nature." With that being said, people have accused Obama of being Un-American due to the fact that he goes against his religion. They say he's Un-American because he doesn't wear a flag pin in his lapel. Because of these reasons, they don't consider him a true Patriot. Since when does being a Patriot mean that it is mandatory to wear a pin? Being Patriot is about standing up to fight for the values that this country was based on so that our children can see a better future. The Republicans can BAAAAWWWWW all they want but they can't change that fact that Obama, "Socialist" ideas and all, is now running the United States. be a decent American and simply give the man a chance. Live by the better angels of our nature and look to change the future to make it better than it was the first 200 or so years.

If I may say something, seeing at how the tax raising thing has been brought to my attention...
In order for us to get where we were when Bill Clinton was in office(meaning gas under $2), we need to raise taxes. Besides, with a raise in taxes comes a raise in paychecks.